Hi John, > There were no replies to my post to > <mailto:debian-boot@lists.debian.org> of > <https://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2019/06/msg00147.html>. > > I then posted to <mailto:debian-l...@lists.debian.org> > starting with > <https://lists.debian.org/debian-live/2019/06/msg00016.html> > where there were various replies, suggestions and my > responses/actions to same. > > The net my attempts to report a bug by validating my concerns > of bugs in the Buster Live CD image were such I gave up. If I > could not be just a bit successful in confirming to the Debian > Community of bugs, then experience has already demonstrated > opening a bug report would be far more time consuming and way > too much spinning of others and more. > > I had no guidance how to capture the error messages flashing on > the splash screen.
Can you interrupt them by hitting the "Break" key on your keyboard? (Might require some key combination on laptops) Otherwise, there was a "bootdelay" parameter mentioned. As can be seen on https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/v4.14/admin-guide/kernel-parameters.html the parameter really is "boot_delay" with an underscore. > I managed using my own technical > skills, knowledge and alot of time to obtain the complete and > exact error messages that were flashing on the boot splash > screen. Despite having the exact error messages and what > conditions the error messages displayed in I still received > basically an opinion of not a Buster issue. Sorry, I did not find them in that thread? > I gave up as too much wild goose chasing advise or m being told > not a bug at all. In my opinion the facts were not being not > accepted of what was clear to me a bug (I actually discovered a > few bugs and only reported the easy bug in my technical > opinion) and not much help in the ask I posted for how to > obtain the error messages flashing on the splash screen. In this case you might need the same (or at least similar: AMD CPU/GPU, legacy BIOS boot) hardware to reproduce this issue so it's not that easy. [...] > A familiar Open Source project response is they do not have the > time to work on bugs/issues, works for them so cannot exist, > nobody else has reported the issue/bug so cannot exist. The > latter two are actually far from truth of determining if a bug > exists. I worked many years in roles where the issue reported > was a bug and often serious, but only one person/client often > was only experiencing the issue. I have worked on bugs that > only occur once every few months. I have found the cause of > bugs in less than an hour the software engineering teams have > not been able to identify in two years. This is not me > bragging or similar. The point here is it takes a special set > of soft skills, technical skills and problem solving skills > that seems to be less and less understood and strived for with > software/firmware. I can relate to this. I don't have any solution though, sadly. As Debian is completely made up of volunteers, everyone does what they can but time is limited for everyone. [...] > As to the trying the released Buster Live, I happened to do so > for secondary reasons this past weekend. Serious issues in my > opinion that may or may not be Live image specific. I do not > know as I was not going to investigate. Unfortunately I cannot reproduce your specific bug. When testing the live image with kvm though, I noticed many squashfs errors, though, when shutting down. Will try to report that when I find the time. Best wishes Michael
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