* Russ Allbery (r...@debian.org) [140118 05:15]: > Steve Langasek <vor...@debian.org> writes: > > > I don't believe we need to know the answer to these questions to know > > that Ian's requirement is a correct one. If we are saying that packages > > cannot drop their sysvinit scripts in jessie in order to ensure smooth > > upgrades, then the same requirement should apply to desktop > > environments, even if we don't know at the moment precisely how the > > maintainers of the affected packages will solve this - because having > > smooth upgrades between releases is a *baseline* for the quality of > > Debian integration, and we should not vacillate merely because some > > people fear it will be hard in this particular case. > > I believe it is reasonable to allow GNOME to require systemd as the init > system if that's the only way to get a working logind with the software > that we release with jessie, and I don't believe holding systemd to > pre-206 in order to make that possible makes sense. 204 will be getting > pretty long in the tooth by the time we get to the jessie release.
I however believe that it would be a major fault if installation of gnome would exchange the init system / pid1, so my expectation on Debian would be that we integrate into a system where Gnome could be used without systemd as pid1 or systemwide init-system (having gnome require systemd to be installed as a "daemon" however would be ok, same as e.g. cereal depends on runit - nothing new, and nothing worrying). > In other words, it's not that I want to say the *opposite* of what Ian > stated as consensus. Rather, I want to make sure that we don't rule on > things that we don't need to be ruling on, and make sure that we don't > write a decision that effectively ends up telling the GNOME team that they > have to get the version they target for jessie working without logind or > have it removed from the archive. "working without systemd" doesn't translate for me into "they are not allowed to use new features of systemd", so it might be that gnomes integration with systemd is better than with other init-systems / pid1 providers. But I would consider it inappropriate if "apt-get install gnome" replaces my initsystem / pid1. > > Separately, I don't agree that it's actually hard to support logind on > > non-systemd for jessie. This already works for v204, and the work to > > support v205 is in progress. > > In this case, omitting this requirement from our ruling won't actually > make any difference, since it will be easy to support and hence > uncontroversial. So, either way, I think we should make sure the > statement we make permits packages to depend on logind. Perhaps we could add an comment saying that as the situation is as of above, we don't expect an issue programms requiring logind. Andi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
