>>>>> "Ian" == Ian Jackson <ijack...@chiark.greenend.org.uk> writes:

    Ian> I know that you do not _set out_ reinforce Ron's position of
    Ian> power over his victims.  That is not your goal.  You are trying
    Ian> to come to an amicable settlement.  You are trying to get
    Ian> everyone to be nice.

    Ian> But when people are being oppressed, it is quite wrong to make
    Ian> the feelings of the perpetrator a primary consideration.  First
    Ian> help the victims, by relieving them from the grasp of their
    Ian> oppressor.

I disagree with the idea that this situation is about an aggressor and
victims.
I agree such situations exist.  I do not think this situation currently
is such a situation.

That is key to my position.

I do not think engaging furthure on this point will serve this
discussion.

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