control: reopen -1

On Mon, Jan 8, 2018 at 11:59 AM, Philip Hands <p...@hands.com> wrote:

> On Mon, 08 Jan 2018, Michael Stapelberg <stapelb...@debian.org> wrote:
> > In the context of “pk4 - avail the Debian source package producing the
> > specified package”, I interpret “avail” as a shorter alternative to “make
> > available”.
>
> Ah, yes, I see.
>
> While the existence of the word "available" suggests such a meaning for
> the word "avail", sadly English is not quite as predictable as that, and
> avail does not actually mean that at all.
>
> BTW avail apparently comes from the obsolete "vail" of Middle English,
> meaning "to have value".
>
> In my experience avail is only seen in very limited circumstances these
> days (which suggests that it's on its way to obsolescence too):
>
>   1) followed by his/her/oneself, meaning something like make use of:
>
>      The thirsty man availed himself of the drinking fountain.
>
>   2) as part of "of/to no avail", meaning without success:
>
>      He attempted to fly by flapping his arms, to no avail.
>

Another meaning seems to be as a synonym of “to use”. In the context in
which I first learnt about this word, “make available” and “use” were
synonyms, hence I went with the wrong meaning.

Thanks for the correction.


>
> I presume that available started out as meaning specifically "something
> that one might avail oneself of", and has drifted a little to it's
> current meaning since -- hence the confusion.
>
> That being the case, you could perhaps use "obtain" or "provide" or just
> "make the source available".  I suppose "provision" might work too,
> although it's a bit of an odd usage.  "prepare" also might work.
>

“make available” is the most descriptive, but also the longest. I still
prefer it over the other suggestions, as “obtain” is not necessarily true
(the source often is already on the hard disk, in which case the program
simply starts a shell in the correct location) and “provide” implies the
program has a more active role in this job then it actually has.

I’ll think about this some more, but might need to fall back to “make
available”.


>
> HTH
>
> Cheers, Phil.
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-- 
Best regards,
Michael

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