On Wed, Mar 01, 2006 at 04:51:14PM +0100, Loïc Minier wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 01, 2006, Filipus Klutiero wrote:
> > synaptic permits removal for "uncommon" situations, but *should* install
> > recommendations by default. I still disagree that it's a bug not to do
> > so though.
>
> You disagree that's it's a bug not to implement the dependencies
> described in Policy? This is a serious statement. I'm not sure which
> way I'll follow to get this clarified, I'll keep you in the loop when
> I've decided.
Sorry for joining so late, my day job keeps me very busy currently.
Please, the discussion seems to be getting a bit out of hand. Let's
relax a bit :)
Synaptic implements a policy compliant way to install recommends. It's
just not turned on by default. This has two reasons:
a) the GUI is not (yet) good for it
What I would like to have is a window (like the current "Mark
additional required changes window) coming up saying:
- "those dependes must be installed" (Depends)
- "those dependencies should be install" (Recommends) with a
toggle-box, on by default
- "those can be installed" (Suggests) with a toggle box, off by default
What we have right now is just the window coming up with no selection
feature for the user that marks the recommends just like depends. The
user can unmark (some) of them etc.
b) Recommends are not always used right. When I played with enabling
them by default a while ago the result was that way too much was
installed (stuff that really should be suggests is reocommends
etc). This is certainly a problem because apt dosn't support
installing them by default.
One of the things I would like to do (and that shouldn't be too hard)
is to add --no-recommends to apt and install them by default (just
like aptitude).
I'm happy that you look at the situation about recommends. The problem
was ignored for too long. I personally thing that the course of action
should be:
1. patch apt to support install of recommends by default (should be
easy, tricky are situations like upgrades etc, but aptitude solved
most of the problems for us (hug Daniel Burrows if you meet him :)
2. send a mail to debian-devel (or even debian-devel-announce later)
that we are going to enable installing recommends by default just
as policy says
3. upload new apt and synaptic after the flamewar^Wdiscussion
I guess only if apt installs them by default the maintainers will look
over there packages and see what really is a recommends and what
should be moved to suggests.
What do you think?
Cheers,
Michael
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