Control: tag -1 + pending

Hi Reuben,

Reuben Thomas wrote:
> > > and a Debian Maintainer. The package fulfils the criteria for the ITS
> > > process; in particular, it has seen no activity in the past 6
> > > months.
> >
> > I object, this is not true. I reacted on your last mail about a week ago
> > within less than two hours:
> > https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=985325#22
> 
> 
> I'm sorry, I read the criterion "no visible activity regarding the package
> for *six months*" as packaging activity, not as BTS activity.

OK, maybe it is ambigous. I had it in mind the other way round.

But I guess, there's a bit more behind this:

I'm actually also a (admittedly more or less MIA) member of the Debian
MIA team. So I'm usually on the other side of the table. Which also
means that I usually count any reaction from the alleged MIA
maintainer as a positive thing which kinda resets the nag timer. And
we also do have rather conservative intervals between tightening the
screws. So maybe I was expecting the same amount of conservativeness
here, too.

(I'm also just following the MIA e-mail alias, not IRC at the moment.
So I didn't notice that you asked PEB about this.)

> I read your message to the bug as an acknowledgement of my activity,
> not as a suggestion that you would do anything:

Ok, then this is the core of the misunderstanding. From my point of
view it was an "oops, right, that's still open, seem to have lost that
on my TODO list, let's add it again".

But admittedly I didn't put it that high on the TODO list — or maybe
more precisely it frll a bit down after I ran into the mentioned
issues with accessing git.deb.at. Poked Rhonda about the SSH
fingerprint this weekend so I could continue.

> from previous communications, I understood that you weren't actively
> maintaining this package,

Well, yeah, it's one of the packages where I usually just jump in if
Rhonda was lacking time _and_ it was urgent. (Which I consider to be
the case now. ;-)

> and this made sense given the long list of packages you maintain!

That's indeed an issue I'm well aware of — and yes, I know you didn't
mean that as criticism. :-) And it is surely the one or the other way
also part of this issue, too. Unfortunately my try to get rid of some
packages didn't work well so far. :-/

> I'm not happy with that subpar packaging in that debdiff:
> 
> Thanks for the detailed feedback.

For the sake of completeness: Two more things I noticed while updating
the package while also looking at what you already did in your packaging
effort:

* gengetopt build-dep was missing
* Bug reports for things actually fixed upstream weren't closed in the
  debian/changelog entry.

> > Expect an mmv upload by myself in the next few hours.
> 
> That's great to hear! If I can help in any way, do let me know.

Let's maintain such a good packaging/upstream relationship as with
Zile. :-)

Oh, right. And one suggestion:

In ChangeLog, please replace

  See git history.

with something along the line

  See git history, e.g. at https://github.com/rrthomas/mmv/commits/master

because Debian (by default) includes that file as
/usr/share/doc/mmv/changelog.gz. And without the hint where the git
history can be found, it's only minimally more useful than no upstream
changelog at that place at all.

Thanks in advance!

> If you still want to become co-maintainer of the package, please tell
> > us (a...@debian.org or rho...@debian.org) your salsa.debian.org
> > username.
> 
> My ITS was very much a last resort effort to update the package;

I see.

> I'd much rather not be co-maintainer.

Ah, ok. :-)

I'll close this bug report with the upload itself to make sure that I
don't forget about it in case I get stuck for some reason again — and
to avoid forgetting to close it manually afterwards. ;-)

> Thanks again, and once more apologies for my inadequate handling of this
> issue.

I guess it was really the different interpretation of my "Thanks for
the reminder" mail. Plus maybe my probably rather high packaging
standards and hence also rather high expectations. (Which occasionally
also causes issues of the type "the perfect is the enemy of the good".
;-)

P.S.: If you tried to look at the Salsa git repo I mentioned: Salsa is
currently down. I'm nevertheless continuing working on the package
offline. Luckily that works well with Git compared to Subversion. :-)

                Regards, Axel
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