Hi,
Am 22.03.26 um 18:40 schrieb Jeremy Bícha:
On Sun, Mar 22, 2026 at 12:54 PM Rene Engelhard <[email protected]> wrote:
I don't see an issue to be honest. Maybe a nuisance, yes.
But I believe this "issue" is just made up or at least made bigger as it is.
It's not a made-up issue. It forces choosing between something like these:
It's a made-up issue because it tries to solve an issue which does not exist.
And even if it existed is not libreoffice-only but a general one (but you
diligently ignored all the other cases and just picked libreoffice)
0. Current status quo. Someone installs their desktop with French and
gets libreoffice-l10n-fr, libreoffice-l10n-common, and
libreoffice-core installed even if the desktop doesn't provide French.
This is 268 MB for libreoffice-core
wow. 260M. that is peanuts in todays sizes (yes, even on phones, they have also
GB of storage)
and 213 MB for
libreoffice-core-nogui which apt may choose instead.
Probably won't since libreoffice-core-nogui is not allowed by -writer etc.
And it intentionally does nt provide -core or so.
So if something installs -writer one definitely gets -core. Unless apt goes
havoc.
1. My proposal: Someone installs their desktop with French and gets
libreoffice-l10n-fr installed even if the desktop doesn't provide
French. This is about 4 MB, but it's not 200 MB. I also do the work to
have there be a desktop language task for every LibreOffice language
so every language gets this experience.
No, you don't . If you did you would have asked somewhere more generic and did
also firefox and chromium. You just filed it against libreoffice.
Which - in contrast to webbrowsers or mail (thunderbird also does:
$ apt-cache show thunderbird-l10n-fr
Package: thunderbird-l10n-fr
Source: thunderbird
Version: 1:140.8.0esr-1
Installed-Size: 620
Maintainer: Carsten Schoenert <[email protected]>
Architecture: all
Depends: thunderbird (<< 1:140.8.0esr-1.1~), thunderbird (>= 1:140.8.0esr-1)
Recommends: hunspell-fr | myspell-fr | myspell-fr-gut
Description-en: French language package for Thunderbird
Thunderbird is an mail client suitable for free distribution. The goal of
Thunderbird is to produce a cross platform stand-alone mail application using
the XUL user interface language.
.
This package contains the localization of Thunderbird in French.
Description-md5: a5c73c0e67f31c1a9306bc3e15e44f86
Homepage: https://wiki.mozilla.org/L10n:Teams:fr
Section: localization
Priority: optional
Filename: pool/main/t/thunderbird/thunderbird-l10n-fr_140.8.0esr-1_all.deb
Size: 474536
MD5sum: 1d710e77a7c05b7d9f70a115df570910
SHA256: 21076586baaa7fbf91b96c43043852d7adf99b08cd1d8d8ffbfbe7cc7036d553
- but is not in the tasks except for japanese for some reason it seems...)
is not 100% needed on a desktop :)
2. I think I can paraphrase your position by saying that you refuse to
make the libreoffice-l10* dependencies on libreoffice-core and
libreoffice-common lower than Recommends.
Basically, yes.
One way forward is to make
the changes so that everyone who installs Debian in a language other
than English will get those 200MB of LibreOffice files installed.
3. Or we don't include libreoffice-l10n in any of the language tasks.
If the language exists. But that is what is done right now, no?
4. Or we add individualized desktop language tasks for every
combination of language and desktop. That could add hundreds of binary
packages. Maybe I try to use Provides to reduce this number so that
the acutal number of binary packages is more like 90+ for desktops
that include LibreOffice by default plus another 90+ for the other
desktops.
I agree that this isn't worthwile.
5. Or someone adds a workaround to the Debian installers so that it
doesn't install the LibreOffice recommends when LibreOffice isn't
installed. This is kinda equivalent to lowering the l10n dependencies
on -common and -core to Suggests. It makes the experience different if
someone installs the tasks separately afterwards.
Yeah,maybe. I've done that too but how common is that?
Regards,
Rene
