On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 07:08:04PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote: > http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?msg=82;bug=614731 > I have a new policy: Once Ubuntu applies a patch to software I wrote, > without allowing me to sign off on it[1], I will no longer apply that > patch to the upstream source of the package. By doing this, over and over > again, Ubuntu is implicitly saying that they do not value my work, my > expertese, or the time I would need to spend to deal with fallout of > their changes, and so I simply choose to ignore them in return.
Heya Joey,
having worked quite a bit on "mediating" the wishes of Debian (as
upstream) developers with those of downstream derivatives, I feel
confident stating that many people in Debian would now welcome being
asked (some people would even say "bothered", I suspect) to sign off
changes that derivatives intend to apply.
I understand and respect your desire here, but please understand that
it'd probably not be a reasonable default. Or at least not a flame-free
one.
The closest approximation of it I could imagine is that derivatives
developers will submit to Debian patches they have applied, as merge
requests (which, AFAICT, it's what Kees is doing here). Of course doing
so will open up to the risk of seeing their changes rejected, but that
would be already way better than being ignored all together. I also
think it'd also be better for Debian, but that's probably a subjective
matter.
So, to improve for the future:
- how would you like to be asked to sign-off changes by downstream
developers? mail to the maintainer or wishlist bug report?
I'll be happy to check with derivatives people how they can keep track
of which Debian maintainer wishes this kind of interaction and who
don't want to be bothered (honestly, I see no other sane default for
such a dilemma)
> So, if Debian feels it is appropriate for this bug to be fixed,
> someone will need to NMU debhelper.
That helps, thanks. I've seen that on #debian-devel people where
interested in picking up your availability for this also for #614731,
maybe a single NMU could do? I suggest that NMU-ers use a reasonably
DELAYED/XX queue, so that you get a chance to review and, if you feel
like, comment on it before it's final.
Cheers.
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