Excerpts from Thomas Goirand's message of 2012-12-17 06:46:27 -0800: > On 12/17/2012 10:23 PM, Charles Plessy wrote: > > To Thomas: less is installed on almost all Debian systems where > > popularity-contest is installed, and is used in almost a half of these > > systems. > > And? > > > So instances used interactively, this is definitely a command that is > > missing. > > I don't agree. > > > But in the long run, we need a solid criterion to decide what is included > > and > > what is not. > > This was exactly my point, and I had no doubts that you would get it. > > > Do you or others know about evaluations on the costs caused by > > adding extra kilobytes or megabytes to a machine image ? > > The point isn't to add or remove extra kilobytes, but to ship the > strict minimum. Otherwise, we might as well add: > - GNU screen > - vim > - joe (yes, I like this one...) > - emacs (wooo... a few megabytes!) > - less > - etc. > > Why not? These are nice... > > So if the criteria is to have the strict minimum, "less" isn't needed. > If it's to have a nice env, then we'll fight and fight over and over > again to decide which should be added (vim vs emacs anyone?).
Just a thought, but the more that is left out, the more people are pushed to create their own special-snowflake images, which makes it much harder to consume the official ones. While a few apt-gets at first-boot here and there are fine, at some point you look at how much instance time you're spending bringing up instances, and you make an image. Perhaps apply an 80/20 rule. If a package is useful to 80% or more of the users and does not interfere with any other package, then its a win. Just using anecdotal reference, I'd say less is something most users expect to have. Vim and screen are pretty popular, but I don't think they're quite over the 80% hump. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [email protected] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [email protected] Archive: http://lists.debian.org/[email protected]
