I have to agree with Thomas here. Anything beyond the bare minimum is a slippery slope. I'd suggest that any debates about including optional packages should happen on [email protected], rather than here.
Christopher Gervais :|: Principal, Ergon Logic Enterprises 514.945.6442 :|: [email protected] On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 12:50 PM, Thomas Goirand <[email protected]> wrote: > On 12/18/2012 12:31 AM, Brian Gupta wrote: > > So in summary, I'd say that while it would be easier to make the > > threshold for whether a package is installed simply, "Is it absolutely > > required to finish bootstrapping", I'd argue we should take the extra > > work to be more inclusive and evaluate if it is expected to be there. > For a *server*, I expect to have only the bare minimum setup. > Absolutely *nothing* else. No extra like vim, pico, nano, or > $pager... > > That's for a server. And we're here talking about a cloud > instance, where you should expect even less manual interaction. > Nowadays, many uses pupet, juju and friends. > > I do expect users to have everything setup automatically, and > not even have to log into their instance. In such an environment, > it makes even less sense to install a specific $PAGER, just > because it's nicer. Same for editors, etc. > > All the argument you've been giving about editors (eg: you > think vim should be there, but not emacs) are very subjective. > Where do you draw the line? Nobody will agree. I, for example, > would believe that GNU screen is 100 times more useful than > having an alternative pager for example. > > The thing is, we should expect our users to know how to apt-get > what they need, and not make the choices for them. > > Now, if we are to provide some images with more tools, I think > it is a good idea, but that should be *another set* of images, > not just the standard cloud instance. > > Anyway, I think I've made my point already... :) > > Cheers, > > Thomas (who never uses less, because debootstrap doesn't install > it by default, and don't think it is "expected") > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [email protected] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact > [email protected] > Archive: http://lists.debian.org/[email protected] > >
