Personally, I don't understand why Debian Cloud needs a philosophy at all.
Doing so puts us at risk of making such strange statements that also don't
exactly come across positive either.

On Sun, Apr 21, 2013 at 11:05 AM, Richard Stallman <[email protected]> wrote:

> The nebulous term "cloud computing" refers to many different
> scenarios, and they raise different issues.  Thus, attempting
> to discuss "the issue of cloud computing" is an invitation
> to go astray.  It is setting out on the wrong path.
>
> One specific case, which is specific enough to say something about, is
> SaaS (software as a service).  The article
> http://wiki.debian.org/Cloud/www.d.o-draft/philoshphy compares SaaS to
> various things, but I think those comparisons are all mistaken.
>
> A library is nothing like SaaS.  A library is, traditionally, a place
> where you look at others' publications.  The Internet analogue of a
> library is a ordinary web site such as gnu.org.
>
> The postal system is nothing like SaaS.  The post office is a system
> of communication.  The Internet analogue of the post office is email,
> or the Internet itself, used in the end-to-end form that it was
> designed for.
>
> A restaurant is nothing like SaaS.  A restaurant sells a product that
> you consume, and that's not much like any digital activity.
>
> Food varies in regard to nutrition and taste, but it always goes in
> the same opening and gets digested the same way.  Food is consumed;
> using digital data does not consume it, and doing computational
> activity is not consuming anything except electricity.
>
> Computing carries out a wide variety of activities, nothing like the
> uniformity of eating.  Food can be unhealthy, but it can't be used to
> spy on you or manipulate you in subtle ways, not even if it is
> drugged.  Thus, food is not comparable to software.  The analogy is
> misleading.
>
> What is SaaS?  SaaS means doing your own computing on a server run by
> someone else.  It means losing control over your computing.  A better
> term for it could be SaaSS: Service as a Software Substitute.  It
> means that instead of doing your computing the right way -- by running
> your copy of a free program -- you hand your computing over to someone
> else, who has total control over it.
>
> Usimg SaaSS is equivalent to running a nonfree program with spyware
> and a universal back door (capable of forcible remote installation of
> software changes).  There is no way to make SaaSS ok.
>
> However, other network services are a totally different issue.  For
> instance, the Debian servers distribute copies of software.  That's a
> different kind of activity, and raises different issues.  The only
> thing that can be bad about this is if the software is nonfree.
>
> "Cloud computing" is the wrong kind of generalization -- it includes
> cases that raise totally different issues.  To have a sensible
> discussion we should focus first on the different kinds of network
> services, to see which of them are inherently bad and find the ethical
> rules for the other kinds.
>
> --
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> Skype: No way! That's nonfree (freedom-denying) software.
>   Use Ekiga or an ordinary phone call
>
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