On 22/04/13 at 09:56 -0700, Clint Byrum wrote: > On 2013-04-21 23:16, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > >On 21/04/13 at 21:23 +0200, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: > >>On Sun, Apr 21, 2013 at 10:01:03PM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote: > >>>One point that I think that is important to make, is that > >>>points of view > >>>diverge on the question of "software as a service", and that > >>>the answer is > >>>external to the foundation principles of Debian. > >>FWIW, I disagree that the answer is external to the founding > >>principles > >>of Debian. In fact, I think this is one of the next big > >>challenges ahead > >>for both Debian and Free Software at large. As a project, we'll > >>probably > >>need to take an official stance on this at some point. > >In the past, Debian has taken official stances on philosophical issues > >only when they had technical consequences (GFDL, firmwares), e.g. on > >the content of the archives or packages. > >Do you think that we should go past that and make more general > >philosophical/political statements, even if they have no effect on our > >archive? > >What kind of issues do you see that could require a project-wide > >position? (I see one so far: packages that are clients to non-free > >online services) > > I can see another that is related. The scenario is that, say, HP > Cloud Services (my employer) were to put Debian images on their > OpenStack cloud which is built on open source, but which does not > have all of the code made available to users. The trademark policy > is not clear on describing things which contain Debian itself. If > HPCS adds a special super whiz-bang open source but HP cloud only > thing to the images, its not clear that they can or cannot call that > Debian still. It would be good for the project to make the policy on > images clear at http://www.debian.org/trademark .
Right. Note, however, that this is not very different from HP shipping a server with "Debian" pre-installed. So ideally, we would have a policy that addresses both cases. Does it sound doable that the requester would provide a script or another complete description (e.g. Puppet/Chef) of the customizations made from a standard Debian installation (either using d-i or debootstrap)? Lucas -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [email protected] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [email protected] Archive: http://lists.debian.org/[email protected]
