On 04/22/2013 10:32 AM, Richard Stallman wrote: > 2) Facilitating people to use existing Free Software to build "Private > Clouds" using software like CloudStack, Eucalyptus and OpenStack on > top of Debian. > > Presuming these are free software
They are. > there's no reason not to include > them in a distro. They are useful. We already have Eucalyptus since a very very long time, OpenStack and XCP (Xen Cloud Platform) will be in Wheezy. All of them are indeed free software providing IaaS. I maintain both OpenStack and XCP packages. I had a look into CloudStack, and I found it not fit for Debian in its current state (eg: it didn't even build the last time I tried, unless you're running on a very very outdated Debian). So it's a "technical no", though that may change anytime (either by some upstream work or work from a volunteered package maintainers). > But if the idea is that the user > uses his own servers, please don't use the term "cloud" to describe > it. I think it's fine to use the world "cloud" if we explicitly tell that it refers to IaaS (Infrastructure As A Service) in this case. > These two activities are entirely separate. Though for both of them, we need a Debian Cloud Image, with cloud-init installed and so on. This list is the perfect place to talk about that. > To think of them as > related is a consequence of the incoherent concept of "the cloud". > > To help people think clearly, please don't describe them as "Debian > cloud" activities. Please talk about them as two separate and > unrelated activities. > > For the same reason, this mailing list shouldn't exist either. When this list was created, I thought we would talk about Eucalyptus, OpenStack and XCP. I was very disappointed when I could read things about Azure and AWS, which Debian tried to "support". I was even more disappointed to see such "official" Debian images being available only on these private companies cloud, and seeing that they were built using these non-free IaaS. To me, that's counter productive to what we do in Debian. But I just let it go, thinking that after all, it is better if we have a better support on such platforms. I hope to make this change though. I'm currently gathering information on how to do it so that the resulting images may work on any platform, including the non-free ones stated above, and that's not an easy task. Currently, I've managed to find out that Ubuntu folks are using a highly patched version of live-build. I hope I can get the patches and make it land upstream, so that we can finally use it too. Cheers, Thomas -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [email protected] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [email protected] Archive: http://lists.debian.org/[email protected]
