Josselin Mouette <j...@debian.org> writes: > Le vendredi 14 février 2014 à 13:50 +0000, Ian Jackson a écrit : >> Josselin Mouette writes ("Bug#727708: init system coupling etc."):
>>> In all cases, it is unacceptable to put the burden of implementing >>> logind on non-systemd systems on maintainers of packages that just >>> need the logind interfaces. If it is not available, software such as >>> gdm3 will depend, directly or indirectly, on systemd as PID 1, and >>> that will be all. >> Firstly, I think the scenario where the required integration work is >> not done is unlikely. But in that scenario, we have two choices: >> (a) Effectively, drop all init systems other than systemd >> (b) Effectively, drop GNOME > This looks very much like a false dichotomy to me. > You can have (c) GNOME depends on systemd. > Same for KDE and Xfce, BTW, since they are going in the same direction. > Desktop environments are not the only pieces of software in Debian. > Having them depend on systemd doesn’t prevent you from using other init > systems on machines that don’t have them installed. Exactly. I somewhat disagree with Josselin in that I actually do think this is an unlikely result and that, at least in the short term, people will step forward and find an alternative solution. I also don't think that maintaining a 204-era logind in the archive for jessie if a cgroups fix doesn't materialize is the worst thing that could happen, provided that someone is willing to maintain it. But I also don't agree with the idea that it's the end of the world if GNOME depends on systemd. There are a bunch of other DEs, and there are a bunch of other uses for Debian systems other than running DEs. That said, I again repeat that I question whether it's worth having this argument when there are concrete steps people can take today to ensure that it is an argument we don't have to have. -- Russ Allbery (r...@debian.org) <http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/> -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-ctte-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87r47537tq....@windlord.stanford.edu