On 2/24/09, Theodore Tso <ty...@mit.edu> wrote: > On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 08:20:31AM -0600, Gunnar Wolf wrote: > > > > Interesting. And yes, illustrative of the historically (and, should I > > add, ridiculous? No, I'd better not ;-) ) rivality between Linux and > > the *BSDs, big egos included. > > > Well, the last time we tried to make reasonable accomodations for > *BSD's, some of the biggest biggest whiners^H^H^H^H^H^H^H complaints > came from Debian. In fact, some later complaints from Debianites > about the lack of /usr/libexec is largely the fault of Ian Jackson, > who ***strenuously*** opposed /usr/libexec on the mail thread which I > quoted. In fact, as I recall, he threatened to rally all of Debian > NOT to support the FSSTND/FHS if we didn't drop /usr/libexec from the > draft spec. Ah, history..... > > The painful fact of the matter is that anytime a draft like the FHS > forces any distribution or OS to change, there will be opposition. In > some cases it will be principled and constructive. In other cases, it > will question the spec writers' technical judgement, ethics, and even > their paternity. > > > > However, Linux's position WRT the commercial Unixes has radically > > shifted in the last decade. Linux is no longer considered a toy, and > > is taken seriously into account. So, even with the big inertia that > > might hamper more than one initiative, perhaps the FHS could be pushed > > in collaboration with their respective companies? At least, I'd be > > surprised if -say- the Solaris or HPUX people weren't open to > > discussion leading to better interoperability. > > > Last I heard, HPUX is on maintenance life-support, and they don't have > enough engineers to make sure their userspace is uptodate. > > And as far as Solaris is concerned, they currently have a project to > update to a 16-year-old shell (ksh93) in their distribution.
FYI the latest version of ksh93 is from Feb 2009. ksh93 was picked by Sun as new system shell in Solaris with a competition between bash 3, bash 4, dash, ksh93, mksh, pdksh and zsh. ksh93 is between 2 and 68 times faster than all other shells, conforms to posix without the extra options such as the POSIXLY_CORRECT junk and has a stable programming interface since 1993 (hence the name). Josh -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org