2012/3/5 Stefano Zacchiroli <lea...@debian.org>: > What we need, though, is probably to make it more clear to our users > what is the difference among *.debian.net and *.debian.org services. It > is something that developers know by folklore, but that I seriously > doubt most of our users know. For me, the most appropriate way to do is > to put a splash page at www.debian.net explaining that. If DSA agrees > with that approach, I'm sure we can easily come up with a suitable > splash text.
I'd like to put my 2 cents: being a long time Debian user, it's still rather hard for me to separate debian.net and debian.org. Both domains are used widely, e.g. unofficial mentors.debian.net is widely used in d-m list, which is obviously official. These domains look visually identical, one can't easily tell one from another in apt sources.list. I suppose there should be used some completely unrelated domain name (as does Ubuntu with its launchpad.net), or unofficial repositories should be placed on the address, looking like "*.unofficial.debian.net" or "unofficial.debian.net/*". Otherwise it would always lead people to misunderstanding. Best wishes and have a nice day, Vsevolod Velichko > On Sun, Mar 04, 2012 at 10:59:39PM +0000, Ben Hutchings wrote: >> Looking at the front page of http://www.debian-multimedia.org/ today, >> I don't see a clear statement that it is unofficial. > > Agreed. > > I also find disturbing that the website seeks for donations without > making clear that donated money do not go to the Debian Project. That is > not necessarily done out of malice, of course, but it seems to live in > the same uncertainty about the "unofficiality" of the website that you > mention. > >> But for new users and potential users, this distinction probably isn't >> obvious. There is a reason that Debian has pursued trademark >> enforcement actions against various debian.xy domains. > > Agreed, and I've been thinking about debian-multimedia.org since quite a > while. According to our trademark policy (present and draft), the > website is in violation of Debian trademark. As the website is > maintained by a Debian Developer, I'm sure we don't need that specific > aspect to come into some sort of amicable solution. > > But before getting there, the question is whether the existence of the > website (and its popularity) poses problem to Debian reputation and/or > to the activity of official Debian multimedia packaging. I think this is > a question for the Debian Multimedia Maintainers (as in > <pkg-multimedia-maintain...@lists.alioth.debian.org>) to answer. If they > see a problem with debian-multimedia.org, we should get in touch with > the website maintainers and solve the issue. > >> And to avoid singling out debian-multimedia.org, I think this >> confusion could just as well happen with repositories on >> foo.debian.net domains. > > I think the situations with debian.net is quite different. *.debian.net > is a namespace offered by Debian to developers that want to setup > services which are not (yet) integrated in the Debian infrastructure > and, as such, not yet blessed as official project services. I don't > think we need to have any stricter procedure that the current one for > people to setup *.debian.net entries. > > > While we are at it, I also think we should provide an index of > *.debian.net entries on that splash page. > http://wiki.debian.org/DebianNetDomains is just too prone to outdateness > and incompleteness. The index can be automatically generated from LDAP > and. IIRC a past chat with DSA, DSA is fine with that but is aware of > privacy concerns that some of the registrant of *.debian.net entries > might have. Personally, I don't think we should be worried about privacy > concerns there. The debian.net is a Debian project resource and we > should be ready to advertise all its entries, otherwise people should > not register them in the first place. > > > Cheers. > -- > Stefano Zacchiroli zack@{upsilon.cc,pps.jussieu.fr,debian.org} . o . > Maître de conférences ...... http://upsilon.cc/zack ...... . . o > Debian Project Leader ....... @zack on identi.ca ....... o o o > « the first rule of tautology club is the first rule of tautology club » -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/caatb-vs+pilhao+79vua++raxu6gswehmvfqpl38nytjm61...@mail.gmail.com