Adam Borowski writes ("Re: trying to use wireless not from gnome... what's the incantation?"): > But it's not without problems. The one Britton met is that NM's interface > is closely married to Gnome. Yes, you can use nm-cli but it's nowhere near > pretty, so on a laptop or a phone you want a GUI. Wicd's GUI works, NM's > does not (at least currently or without extra messing).
I'm using network-manager with something that would be xfce if I ran more of xfce, but is probably best described as a pre-desktop setup. My window manager is vtwm. The nm-applet sits happily in trayer, and everything functions pretty much as I expect. I'm happy with it. (Although I did find a bug in the WPA2 enterprise passphrase management which I mean to report at some point...) Although, I am running systemd-logind and cgmanager because lightdm gave them to me, so maybe that's why n-m works for me. I haven't found that systemd-logind and cgmanager cause any trouble so I haven't bothered to avoid them. (I'm running sysvinit.) > The second is, NM interferes with any complex setup. In newer versions, you > can now semi-reliable tell it to stay away from your interfaces, but then, > if you disable it on all interfaces, why do you even have it installed? I have found that n-m is happy to leave alone my own VPN and my own pppd 3G setup (which I run sometimes in parallel with wifi). I had to deinstall modemmanager because it interfered with the modem, even if I had 3G support turned off in the nm-applet menu.[1] > But, how is mentioning an alternative and/or recommending to try one FUD? On the other hand, I am very happy that wicd exists. If network-manager annoyed me somehow I'm sure I would try wicd. Ian. [1] #683839 is tangentially related, but not really relevant, since if modemmanager had a whitelist rather than a blacklist, it would still have tried to fiddle with my modem. It appears that #683839 is being fixed upstream and hopefully stretch has these changes...