Adam Borowski <kilob...@angband.pl> writes:
> On Tue, Jun 25, 2019 at 08:08:22AM +0200, Ansgar wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> what do people think about getting rid of current suite names ("stable",
>> "testing", "unstable") for most purposes? We already recommend using
>> codenames instead as those don't change their meaning when a new release
>> happens.
>
> And for this exact reason so many people want "testing" not "buster".
>
> This way they get 5-days-newest versions of everything, without having to
> suffer broken uploads, broken dependencies, etc.
>
> Using "buster" would mean that at some moment their updates suddenly stop,
> and they have to manually migrate to the next version.
>
>> Related to that I would like to be able to write something like
>>
>> deb http://deb.debian.org/debian debian11 main
>> deb http://security.debian.org/debian-security debian11-security main
>>
>> in sources.list as codenames confuse people.
>
> Hell no! Even though I'm among most active DDs around, I just had to look
> up whether "debian11" means Buster or Bullseye.
>
> It's same eg. for processor names: "Skylake" means Skylake, which is used
> within 6 or 7 different numbering schemes. Even people who care what
> processor that is will so often need to look up versioning numbers -- as the
> public names are about marketing segments and so on, not about how a
> processor behaves.
>
> A code name is also so much easier to talk about, especially in speech -- a
> codename is one or two fairly unique syllables, while a number is longer,
> and it's usually surrounded by other numeric values within other semantic
> domains.These things are clearly a matter of taste. For me, the numbers would be _much_ more useful. I'm perfectly capable of typing slink when I meant stretch. The coming era of b* releases is going to be a right pain for me. I would certainly not end up typing 2.1 when I meant 9 though, and if somehow I did, I would be able to notice the mistake instantly, whereas my dyslexia will cheerfully hide the wrong name for long enough to allow quite a lot of hair pulling. The version numbers are also showing up on login and desktop backgrounds so I'd guess the bulk of users know exactly which number they're up to, but a pretty vague about which codename goes with that. Oh, and for me that also applies to speech -- if you say 10 to me, there's no way I'll later remember 9, but if you say buster, I'm quite likely to remember "two sylables, begins with B". Can we not just have both? Cheers, Phil. -- |)| Philip Hands [+44 (0)20 8530 9560] HANDS.COM Ltd. |-| http://www.hands.com/ http://ftp.uk.debian.org/ |(| Hugo-Klemm-Strasse 34, 21075 Hamburg, GERMANY
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