On Tue, Aug 15, 2000 at 06:54:24AM -0700, Joey Hess wrote:
> >     The question that seems to want to be raised is whether this
> >  is true? Are people really confused more by having extra commands
> >  available, or are they confused by _not_ havingcertain commands
> >  present? 
> 
> Sounds fine to me.
> 
> >     The irony is, of course, that the people generally making such
> >  decisions (like this forum) are rarely a decent sampling of the user
> >  base, or the hypothetical Joe user. 
> 
> Maybe we should ask our users then?
> 
Greetings from a lurking user,

<me user-hat=on>
I startef using debian about 3 years ago. One of the first things that I
really liked was bash tab completion. I had to guess at commands because
I didn't know what they were named but, I guessed that the functionality
should be there. One of my first modifications was to add directories of
most(all?) executables to my path. I find it _very annoying_ to NOT get tab
completion on commands that I now know exist when I am on another system. 
<me user-hat=off>

<me sys-admin-hat=on>
I now get paid for my knowledge of Gnu/Linux (more specifically Debian).
and the majority of the people that I set up systems for are either
CS students who need to know as much as possible or simple users of
services like email, http, ftp, samba, etc.. Either way, having
everything available is prefered. On machines that users shouldn't have
these commands I simply don't give them user accounts. On less critical
machines, whocares what they do to it, they will learn judicious use
eventually. The *evil* user is an extremly rare animal in my arena 
(academia), at least so far <protector-talisman=on>. :-)
<me sys-admin-hat=off>

Hopefully this info is usefull to this debate, if not I apologize.
By the way, kudos to everyone on yet another excellent release of
Debian!


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If all the ipv6 addresses were distributed evenly across the planets
surface, there would be roughly 423,354,243,695,259,002,656 per square inch.
And, no, I don't know what this has to do with anything.
         


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