Hi, I agree with Andreas' opinion. I have been trying to use debian-edu, but I found things are so hard to understand how it works.
Would that be possible to setup debian-edu from pure Debian installation? I think if there is a document to explain how to setup debian-edu from pure Debian installation would helps lot and bring more people really can contribute to this project. -Andrew On 2010年08月05日 22:21, Andreas B. Mundt wrote: > Hi, > > being here in New York at DebConf10, I have the pleasure to be > exposed to many suggestions and ideas concerning Debian and free > software. > In a talk titled 'Managing Debian Installations using GOsa and FAI' > <URL:http://penta.debconf.org/dc10_schedule/events/556.en.html>, > Michael Banck illustrated his ideas and plans about setting up and > maintaining a system for academic work groups and the like. > > After thinking a bit about the talk, I came to the conclusion that his > goal is not far away from what skolelinux does. The only difference > that comes to mind is a different set of user applications and no (or > another) artwork package. > > I talked to him about working together with the debian-edu community, > as I think both sides could profit a great deal from each other. (And > I btw. consider a system for academic work groups as domain of > debian-edu too). > > What is needed to make a collaboration possible? > > We need to make our system more modularized and flexible. How to do > that, well, that has still to be figured out. But I think skolelinux > will profit a lot from a more modularized setup. > > To me, the current setup appears to be too complicated and > specialized, resulting in many 'hacks' which make it unstructured and > hard to maintain. Perhaps that's the reason why there are only so few > people around participating in development; it seems like it is only > possible to either work full time on it or stop at all. Cruft has been > cumulated over the years, not making it easier to start contributing. > > What's the alternative? The alternative is a core system that includes > all components common to all of these systems: users, groups, machines > and software management, terminals, kerberos, webserver, printers, etc. > > Based on this core system, specializations are possible: Depending on > the area of use, the packages installed by default will differ. A > scientific group (debian-science, debian-med) will add their packages > and tools, skolelinux uses the task lists we have already in place and > might add school-specific administration tools. Remember the > discussions on the list about which age we want to support: We could > provide different lists supporting different ages broadening the user > base from the kindergarden up to young adults and adult evening > classes. > > Hopefully, by offering more flexibility, the 'forks' and re-inventions > of skolelinux could be unified again and developers motivated to > participate also to the core project. By enlarging the field of users, > the burden of developing would be shared on more shoulders and > synergies could be used to improve the system and not only 'fix' > issues. > > There might be replies that this will complicate the setup of > skolelinux, making it impossible for teachers to run it. First, I > don't know if this will necessarily be the case. Second, I think that > problems concerning the setup of skolelinux (understood as installing > from the DVD) are not our problem. A few more questions, perhaps even > some more actions after installation- this is not what makes schools > and teachers not to choose skolelinux. I guess most of the people > having installed the system in the last half year at school started to > change and modify the installation massively (more or less > successfully) right after setting it up. > > Discussion opened. > > Best regards, > > Andi > > -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [email protected] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [email protected] Archive: http://lists.debian.org/[email protected]
