Holger Levsen - 19.10.18, 12:02: > On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 11:35:54AM +0200, Martin Steigerwald wrote: > > A minority? Yes. But a sizable one. > > It doesn't matter how many people use it, if noone is willing to > maintain it. *If* people are maintaining it, it also doesnt matter > how many people are using it :) > > *Someone* needs to do the work. We are all volunteers. Be the change > you want to see in the world.
Thanks. Doing just that already in a way I currently can. People are already working on it. They do not discuss this on this list, but on the debian-init-diversity list that has been announced in this thread. I am not helping as a developer at the moment, but I helped quite a bit with bringing people together and collecting information as I navigate in both communities (Debian and Devuan). KatolaZ already works on examing the current status and coming up with a plan, including updating to latest upstream release of sysvinit. Also there is coordination work on elogind. It is already packaged in Devuan, but there has been work for having it packaged in Debian as well. Obviously there won't be new package releases tomorrow. So it is good to allow it to take some time, also for involved Debian and Devuan developers to learn to know and trust each other and agree on a work flow. Hopefully this is the start of a long-overdue healing process. What happens if we stop the flame war, if we stop hurting each other and start accepting that many use Systemd, some use something different and the world is big enough for both groups? And what happens when it is not even about which is right and which is wrong, what happens by just accepting that both are *different*? Also to me sysvinit is not an end in itself, even tough it has some priority right now to get the package maintained again. I quite like runit for example. -- Martin
