On Thu, 23 Jun 2005 09:54:12 -0600 Javier-Elias Vasquez-Vivas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Just keep in mind also fluxbox for your wm trials, its light and still > have lots of nice features, its pretty configurable, and there are > several styles available, someones havier than others. For remote > connections I just use "Clean" style, and I don't attach aditional > wallpaper and it's pretty light, actually lighter than fvwm in my > experience... > > Have fun, > > Javier. Hi Okay, I will give it a shot. Can I ask a dumb question? What is the difference between like KDE and Gnome and XFCE, which are Desktops, and like fluxbox, blackbox etc that are Window Managers? I am sure this is very basic, but I dont know it. When I launch Enlightenment for example which is a Window Manager, I get pretty much the same experience when I launch XFce, which is a desktop. Can somebody enlighten me? Thanks, and yes, I will give fluxbox a try. Ben > > On 6/23/05, Benedek Frank <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Thu, 23 Jun 2005 14:57:01 +0300 > > Micha Feigin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > On Wed, 22 Jun 2005 13:01:31 +0200 > > > Benedek Frank <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > On Wednesday 22 June 2005 11:36, you wrote: > > > > > On Wed, 22 Jun 2005, Benedek Frank wrote: > > > > > > Hi. Can you check to see if I use something really that I shouldnt > > > > > > use at > > > > > > all? > > > [...] > > > > > > > > I have realized that. I blew it away already. I will set up Sonypid > > > > which can > > > > enable Volume controlls to speial keys, so I dont need kmix anymore. (I > > > > guess > > > > this is how a newbie learns). > > > > > > > > > > The volume keys on my laptop just produce regular key presses (depends on > > > whether they are acpi buttons or not), sonypi doesn't find anything on > > > this > > > machine. What I did was to find the key-press symcodes using xev and then > > > I > > > setup Xmodmap to map them to keysyms which I later map in the fvwm setup > > > file > > > to use amixer and xosd to show the output > > > > There is a software called sonypid, and that is run as a daemon, and can > > listen to all special keys, that otherwise will not be listened to, unless > > using sonypid, at least with my PCG-C1VRX/K. FOr me, also I need the > > sonypid, so that I can use the "capture" button, to start camera, or to > > start whatever I set it to start. Camera is pretty cool and useless. (lol). > > I use it btw to start bluetooth, and so it wont have to run all the time, > > just when I need it, so it wont use memory. Very handy, specially I play > > with Nokia Series 60 phones all the time, they have bluetooth support. > > > > > > I have in ~/.Xmodmap: > > > keycode 223 = XF86Standby > > > keycode 160 = XF86AudioMute > > > keycode 176 = XF86AudioRaiseVolume > > > keycode 174 = XF86AudioLowerVolume > > > > > > And in my fvwm file (a bit complicated but not that much) > > > > > > Key XF86AudioRaiseVolume A A Exec killall -9 osd_cat; amixer > > > set PCM 100 unmute ; /usr/bin/amixer set Master 5%+ unmute | sed -n > > > "s/Front > > > \(Left\|Right\): Playback .* \[\(.*\)\] \[.*\]/\1 \2/p" | osd_cat -d 2 -p > > > middle -A center -l2 -i -30 -s 2 -S darkgreen -f > > > "-*-arial-bold-r-*-*-80-*-*-*- > > > *-*-*-*" -c lightgreen > > > > > > Key XF86AudioLowerVolume A A Exec killall -9 osd_cat; amixer set PCM 100 > > > unmute ; /usr/bin/amixer set Master 5%- unmute | sed -n "s/Front > > > \(Left\|Right > > > \): Playback .* \[\(.*\)\] \[.*\]/\1 \2/ p" | osd_cat -d 2 -p middle -A > > > center - > > > l2 -i -30 -s 2 -S darkgreen -f "-*- arial- bold-r-*-*-80-*-*-*-*-*-*-*" -c > > > lightgreen > > > > > > Key XF86AudioMute A A Exec killall -9 osd_cat; amixer set PCM 100 unmute > > > ; if > > > (amixer set Master toggle | grep -q '\[on\]'); then echo Un- Mute; else > > > echo > > > Mute; fi | osd_cat -d 2 -p middle -A center -l1 -s 2 -S gray10 - f > > > "-*-arial- > > > bold-r-*- *-100- *-*-*-*-*-*-*" -c lightgreen > > > > > > Key XF86Standby A A Exec /usr/bin/eject > > > > > > > Thanks for describing, I may use it. At least I can use the commnads to > > increase or decrease volume, and plug them into my script I have sonypid > > run when a button is presses. > > > > > > > > > > Use xterm instead of gnome-terminal: > > > > > > > > > > 1410 tconnors 15 0 4060 4060 2192 S 0.0 0.4 0:44 xterm > > > > > > > > > > Yes, a terminal emulator doesn't *need* 30m just to freaking run. > > > > > Yikes! > > > > Good call, I will look into getting a smaller terminal. > > > > > > I use rxvt-unicode-lite since I want unicode but without the bells and > > > wisles > > > of the full compile. In my case I just use screen embeded in the terminal > > > for > > > multiple instances since the fvwm tabs extention was too heavy for me (it > > > uses > > > perl) and I didn't want to use kterm or gnome-whatever. Another option if > > > you > > > want several terminal windows and not just instances is to run the rxvt > > > server > > > on startup and then just startup clients, reduces the memory considerably > > > for > > > multiple terminals. > > > > I use usually one, or maximum 2, rarely 3, for chekking real time logs. One > > problem with xterm I realized, that I cannot copy and past from it to the > > email. It is hard to troubleshoot like that. Konsole and gnome-terminal > > allowed me to do so. But the memory is a bigger problem, so I am very happy > > after all. > > > > > > > > > > > > > As much as I hate pine (I'd hate kmail worse), it only needs: > > > > > 5065 tconnors 15 0 3736 3736 2272 S 0.2 0.4 0:00 pine > > > > > > > > > > All those other k* programs are just useless helper apps to kde. > > > > > Blow kde > > > > > away, and that'll free up a bit. > > > > > > > > I have realized that. Actually, having the machine rebootet, with KDM > > > > and KDE > > > > taken out of auto-start, I got a much prettier picture, and a responsive > > > > system. ALready half-success. When I dont start this kmail prog, I have > > > > 140MB > > > > free mem. Yes, more than half of what I have. Firefox eats up 20 or so. > > > > I > > > > still have 120 left. At that point, I start Kmail, and slowly, about one > > > > minute it starts, and I will have 20 MB left. So it eats 100MB or RAM. > > > > That > > > > is weird. One weird program. It starts all these programs with it > > > > > > > > kmail 30MB > > > > knotify 14MB > > > > kded 11MB > > > > kio_pop3 (as many times as many POP3 accounts I have-each uses 10MB) > > > > klauncher 10MB > > > > kdeinit 9.5MB > > > > > > > > This is unacceptable. I am looking for a NEW email client. I like a GUI > > > > email > > > > client, that has features such as putting emails to the folders I want > > > > them > > > > to go (filtering) and has support for more than one POP account. Any > > > > takers > > > > on this? Will pine do this for me? Can it use the maildir format? > > > > > > I am using sylpheed-claws-gtk2 since I want the RTL support for hebrew > > > (gtk has > > > unicode support properly built in). It has a few quirks but was the best I > > > found for my tastes. If you don't need RTL sylpheed-claws seems more > > > stable and > > > faster and has better support for maildir (actually sylpheed-claws-gtk2 > > > doesn't > > > have any support for maildir but depending on version mismatches it > > > sometimes > > > works with the sylpheed-claws maildir pluging). > > > > Yes, I have slypheed now myself too, but I didnt go for the -claws version, > > as "apt-cache search sylpheed" showed the -clwas version as the "bleeding > > edge email client", so I went for the regular "sylpheed". It seems a bit > > old school, but I like it already more than kmail, first it starts fast, > > second VERY IMPORTANT for me, it allows me to set the amount of days it > > will delete the messages from the server after it was received. So I am > > inlove with sylpheed, and I finished looking for email clients. Of course I > > had a rough half-day of converting maildir to mbox, but I am done with it > > now, and I imported it successfuly. It is quite good now. > > > > > > If you are happy with the console mutt is great (the only two reasons I > > > left it > > > is that it didn't have a folder view to see how many emails are in each > > > folder > > > and switching to a specific folder can be a bit cumbersome, on the other > > > hand > > > it is very good at switching to the next folder with unread mail. The > > > other > > > reason is hebrew support, but that depends on the terminal or reader) > > > > > I only need japanese and hungarian support, and sylpheed does a fairly good > > job in that case also, so I am happy again. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Seriously, get rid of the kde and gnome crap. You don't need it. It > > > > > won't make your life any happier. And then you will look at the > > > > > dribbling > > > > > fools who keep on drooling over the eye-candy, and laugh at their > > > > > constant > > > > > need to upgrade to the latest hardware that only makes their room > > > > > hotter > > > > > (and fucks up the environment for the rest of us). And you won't > > > > > need to > > > > > upgrade your computer, because when it is not running crufty bloated > > > > > crapware, it's plenty fast enough. > > > > > > > > > How can I get rid of KDE and Gnome? apt-get uninstall kde gnome ?? > > > > > > > > > > Don't run KDE and GNOME programs. Note the clean gtk2 programs are ok, > > > they > > > don't bring in all the crap only gnome programs that depend on the gnome > > > libraries (you can see from the dependencies). > > > > > > > > > Oh, and encourage your favourite hacker to emphasise code quality and > > > > > optimisation before useless feaping creaturism. > > > > > > > > > > Other points that the OP mensioned: > > > > > > Its a bit tricky to setup, but if you like nice gui login but want > > > something > > > lighter then kdm you can use qingy (qingy.sf.net) which uses the frame > > > buffer. > > > I'm afraid that there is no debian package though. > > > Personally I use wdm at the moment, when I have some time I am planning to > > > setup qingy. > > > > > > As a window manager I use fvwm, but its a taste issue. Its a bit harder to > > > setup but is very flexible. > > I am happy now with xfce, but I want to try even smaller ones, so I will > > give it a shot. > > > > > > For text I use lyx to produce latex documents, but I write math so office > > > suits > > > are mostly irrelevant anyway (and tex is what all journals in my field > > > take > > > anyway, some will also accept word, but they are a few a far between > > > (thank > > > god ;-) ). > > > > > > For a browser I settled on opera which is fast, light and a but more > > > complient > > > with IE only sites then mozilla. The three main downsides with it are > > > that it > > > not free (you either accept an advertisement bar or you pay to get a > > > serial), > > > it doesn't change proxy server setups on the fly for some reason, and it > > > uses the mozilla plugin for loading pdf files which has a memory leak, > > > reaches > > > over a Gig on occasion, on the other hand it has an options to load > > > previous > > > session on startup so you can just close/kill it and reopen to solve the > > > problem. It also has a debian package (on their site, not the repository) > > > so > > > its easy to install. > > > > I will try opera. Until this point I still used Firefox. Opera can display > > java and flash, macromedia, other stuff like that.? I ocassionally need > > them. Or I can just keep firefox for those times,,....> > > > > > For the record, my machine comes up with a bit > > > under 30M ram usage running wdm, X, rxvt terminal with a screen session > > > running > > > in it. > > > > > > > Wow, that is outstanding. I am using 70MB after boot, with all what I have, > > one xterm session, and the sylpheed open, with X and XFce. That is way > > better than about 10MB free (now 190MB free) when I used KDE and KDM and > > all the K***crap. I am happy I started this thread, and I want to thank you > > all for helping. Of course I still keep looking for good ideas. At the end, > > I will make a website from what I learnd. > > > > Bence > > -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
