Hans Reiser wrote > > Dawson, Larry wrote: > > >Hans Reiser wrote > > > > > > > >>Brian Thomas Sniffen wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >>>MJ Ray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>>You seem to understand the difference between credit and > >>>>>advertisement as advertisements are credits for those > you dislike. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>You seem to understand the difference between modification and > >>>>plagiarism as plagiarism is a modification that you dislike > >>>> > >>>> > >>because it > >> > >> > >>>>doesn't praise you enough. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>To be fair, these credits really do seem to be for others. Some of > >>>them are credits *and* ads, and at least one is an ad for work for > >>>Hans Reiser and Namesys, but they are credits as well, and most of > >>>them for other people. > >>> > >>>-Brian > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>I could be talked into eliminating the one for me, though I > >>have always > >>found it a bit of a pain that people > >>are a bit eager to think that I am some sort of businessman > who hired > >>russians because he wasn't abstractly inclined himself. > They seem to > >>think I am some sort of businessman fool enough to invest into free > >>software, rather than a guy who wanted to build something and > >>couldn't > >>get anyone to fund it so he paid for reiserfs to come into > >>existence by > >>working a day job for 5.5 years. They often don't realize > that I am > >>responsible for basic architectural features, like the idea of > >>aggregating small files together rather than always page > >>aligning them, > >>or that the most controversial deep design changes of V4 > >>versus V3 were > >>mine. > >> > >> > > > >Personally, when I read the info on Namesys.com I assumed Hans > >had designed pretty much all of Reiser 4. > > > Most people don't read Namesys.com, they only know about the > name of the > filesystem, and the credits are very much needed in mkreiser4 > to inform > them. In those credits, I am just one of the randomly chosen > developers/sponsors. > > Probably I should put the developer credits somewhere on the namesys > main page rather than just under the developers button. Thanks for > pointing that out. > > > It was only later when I read (I can't remember precisely > where) a page where Hans credited members of his team that I > knew that others had contributed a lot. I will continue to > credit Hans with a massive contribution to filesystem theory > and practise. Credit for their work should be given freely :-) > >Looking at a couple of lines of information about > contributers each time I use ReiserFS progs is just not a > problem for me - but it also seems plain to me that > restricting changes to the source means that they cannot be > put in debian. The license restriction is not compatible with the GPL. > >Since the actual Reiser4 filesystem is fully free and GPL > licensed, can debian include it without the Reiser programs? > If some one wants to write GPL compatible reiserfs progs > later then all is available "free" - so this does not seem to > put the debian social contract in a complete bind. For now, > obviously, a user is going to have to use the > non-gpl-compatible (and hence non-debian) utilities to create > a filesystem, and contributers to it will be credited. > > > > > Do you really think that there exists some moron willing to spend 4-5 > man-years just so that debian can freely eliminate mention of > who built > reiser4?
No I don't, and I agree it would be wasteful to do, (and of no useful value, to me). But it is possible, so I was hoping debian would see the possibility as freedom enough to include the reiser4 filesystem. I want them to include reiser 4, but it seems impossible to include the reiser progs given your licensing requirements. > > > > > > > > >>Pr > >> > > > > > >
