olive <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > The whole specification is indeed not public. What I claim is that a > document using only word features fully understandable by openoffice > might be considered as trandsparent since it use only spec available > to the public: the subset of word fully understandable by openoffice > is public. If a document use features that are not available to the > public it is indeed not transparent. But there are very few such > documents.
My understanding is that the intent behind the "transparent" definition is specifically to rule out things such as Word documents. I.e., this is by design, not accident. What's questionable (and what I take the GR to make a decision on) is whether the intent was to rule out oppenoffice or lyx. But nonetheless, here is the full definition: A "Transparent" copy of the Document means a machine-readable copy, represented in a format whose specification is available to the general public, that is suitable for revising the document straightforwardly with generic text editors or (for images composed of pixels) generic paint programs or (for drawings) some widely available drawing editor, and that is suitable for input to text formatters or for automatic translation to a variety of formats suitable for input to text formatters. A copy made in an otherwise Transparent file format whose markup, or absence of markup, has been arranged to thwart or discourage subsequent modification by readers is not Transparent. An image format is not Transparent if used for any substantial amount of text. A copy that is not "Transparent" is called "Opaque". Are really you suggesting that Word documents qualify? Not only does the public availability requirement refer to the specification of the format (not the contents of the document), but there's still the question of whether it can be edited "straightforwardly with generic text editors." Note that these two requirements are connected with an implicit "and", along with a requirement about suitability for input to text formatters. Is it straightforward to have to: - Run the document through something to parse the word format into plain text. - Proofread it for formatting or other errors. - Edit it - Reverse the process by running the document through something to translate it back into word format. - Proof it for formatting or other errors yet again. What's more, is the final step even possible without access to MS word? I think there's a discussion to be had about whether it's a legitimate goal for a free software license to rule out proprietary formats such as word documents. But I think it's quite clear that the GFDL does rule out using word documents as source -- though the recent GR confuses this somewhat. -- Jeremy Hankins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> PGP fingerprint: 748F 4D16 538E 75D6 8333 9E10 D212 B5ED 37D0 0A03 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]