On Tuesday 5 February 2008 03:00, Anthony Towns wrote: > On Mon, Feb 04, 2008 at 11:58:01PM +0100, Thijs Kinkhorst wrote: > > My point here is this: why use a DELAYED/2 queue when a DELAYED/10 upload > > suffices just as well to reach the goal, > > Because it gets the fix to users eight days earlier. And if the fix is > wrong, it means that the feedback loop is quicker, to the point you can > have three or four attempts to reach the correct fix, in the same time.
Very much agreed, but this goes for any bug, up to fixing a manpage formatting issue. > The longer DELAYED directories are there primarily because it makes people > doing NMUs more comfortable, not to let maintainers who have less time > remain the sole uploaders of their packages. Well, Debian does have a concept of maintainership of packages. I think this limited amount of exclusivity is good as long as it is limited: as a maintainer of a package you're often more aware of specific intricacies of code, or any aspect that may influence a patch. On the other hand a maintainer out of time delays fixes unnecessarily long. On Tuesday 5 February 2008 01:16, Russ Allbery wrote: > Well, I'd really like to get people out of the habit of thinking that NMUs > are something horrible. DELAYED/2 gets a fix out to the users of unstable > faster, and then the maintainer can make another upload later. Well, me too, that's why I did not suggest NMU's are horrible (I'm not sure where you got that idea). I also did not advocate a longer delay than 10, and this is with reason. In my view 10 (or even down to 7) is a very good balance between fixing things when the maintainer is out of time, and allowing for a large majority of "Debian-schedules" of DD's to cope with it themselves first. Because 10 days includes at least every day of the week, plus a little bit extra, it serves to ensure that even those only working on Debian on the weekend, or only during work hours, or Thursday nights, or whatever, are accomodated. Zero-day NMU's are excellent for stuff that really breaks things. If it's more of a feature release goal, that can still be important to get fixed, but the extra week will not hurt in that case and realises the issue just as well. Thijs
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