On Sat, 16 Aug 2003, Frank Murphy wrote: > > > > By Mac keyboard, you seem to mean USB keyboard. > > > > No, I mean Mac keyboard, as in keycaps layout. > > > > > The keys of the third-party keyboards are in the standard PC position, > > > right? > > > > They are in the Mac position, since they are meant as replacements for the > > narrow iMac keyboard by Apple. > > So, the <>| is between Z and left shift and the ��� is left of the 1 on all > three keyboards, but on the third-party keyboards, pressing ��� generates the > symbol from the <>| key (and vice-versa)?
Precisely. > > > But, if the only problem with this keyboard is the meta-key problem you > > > explained earlier, the simple xmodmap change below should fix it (without > > > disabling deadkeys, of course). > > > > Inverted (smaller/greater/pipe) and (paragraph/one-half/degree), plus wrong > > metakeys. > > Is this after you tried the xmodmap? Or before? Before. > > In essence, the Option/apple keys are treated as a Windows keys, > > even though the physical position is different than on PC. > > Ah-ha. You are seeing the expected behavior. The key printed with the Apple > logo is considered to be the same as the key printed with the Windows logo, > regardless of position. You can change this if you want, but it's the > default. > > > > I'd be interested to know what the linux scancodes and X keycodes are for > > > these keys on i386 Linux. Are you able to try these on a PC? If so, try > > > these commands on both: > > > > > > # from the console, then press the <>| and ��� keys > > > $ showkey -s > > > $ showkey -k > > > > See attached files. > > OK, I need you to annotate these files. Write in the codes that you get > depending on which key you press. Otherwise, it's just guesswork for us. It's as much guesswork for me. I press them in the order: normal, shift, altgr. first lesser/greater/pipe, then paragraph/half/degree. > > > # Also, in X, press these keys with the keyboard in the xev window > > > $ xev > > > > Haven't found any way to paste the output. :( > > In X, you can paste the selected text by pressing the middle mouse button. If > you only have a 2-button mouse, it's possible to mimic a three-button mouse. > Say 'yes' to the 'Emulate 3 button mouse?' question when running > `dpg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86` That's not what I meant. the xev output is not scrollable and since xev takes all crap running thru X, not just keypresses, then i cannot select the desired output. > > The console-data mac-usb-fi keymap uses the Left_alt as Mode_switch and > > makes the left Apple key into a Left_alt, which works very well. > > Perhaps it works well for you, but it is very confusing for someone who sits > at a new keyboard and looks at the keys to find out what they should do. It works well, from the perspective that it provides nearly the same physical kjeycaps location as a PC, that is the key just left of spacebar is used to change console, in conjunction with ctrl. it makes a LOT of sense. > OK, so to switch the left Alt key to act like a PC's AltGr key (and let you > type the third letters on the keys), plus use the left Apple logo key as an > Alt key, put the following in your .Xmodmap and run `xmodmap ~/.Xmodmap`: > > keycode 64 = Mode_switch > keycode 115 = Alt_L > > > Frank > > -- Martin-�ric Racine http://www.pp.fishpool.fi/~q-funk/
