Hi, I'm sorry to bring up this again, but I'm pretty sure it's useful ;)
As in, I send the following reply to Russ (in private) and he replied
in private and we agreed to re-post our conversation to this list. So here
we go:
(below the quote is what I've sent to Russ two weeks ago. He'll re-post his
reply here soon.)
On Wed, Apr 15, 2020 at 01:23:01PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote:
> > I (and I suppose everybody else in this thread) very much respect
> > Neil's efforts to make Debian better,
> I believe that you *want* to respect his efforts, and that you may
> internally be feeling respect. However, what people have done on this
> thread is not respect. Actions speak louder than words. Saying that you
> respect his efforts is not the same thing as respecting his efforts.
[...]
today i'm not sure whether it's worth rehashing this on the list (and which part
to quote also, but thats a minor detail), so I'll just reply here to you now.
a.) I can see how my reply (replies?) in this thread were negative like this
and for all the good reasons explained by you I'm sorry about that.
b.) and at the same time I don't know how else to respond to such proposals,
because if I don't speak up, silence can and will be seen as consent. And
I've seen too many test ballons which became real thing later, so if
someone comes and says 'I would like to move Debian communication to
slack' (or discourse or facebook or foo) i'm not sure "I wont use that"
is really bad. Also, if someone has 'crazy ideas' (not Neil here) *and*
shares them with hundreds of people, I don't see why the burden of work
(explaining in detail why those ideas are not good...) is on the side of
people who would like to stay with things how they are.
So, IOW, yes, I can see how my comment 'I think discourse sux and I wont use it'
is not improving the situation, but then I do think that suggesting discourse
already worsened the situation and it's not my job to fix problems introduced
by someone else, while I should at least be able to point this out.
If you could help me with an idea here I would really appreciate it.
--
cheers,
Holger
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