On Thu, 2026-05-07 at 12:04 +0200, Paul Gevers wrote: > Dear DFSG team, > > After a discussion with Mechtilde yesterday here at the MiniDebConf > in Hamburg, we realized that the deal the Release Team had with the > former ftp-master team might not have been transferred. I assume you > are aware that the Release Team requests [1] maintainers to start > transitions in experimental in principle. At least during the freeze, > the ftp-master team was helping out on that front by not accepting > uploads to unstable that would start a transition. I think they > occasionally also pointed out the procedures and prevented accidental > transitions from starting without alignment with us.
Hi Paul, This makes sense - I don't think I was specifically aware that the Release Team requests maintainers to start transitions in experimental, but it does seem an obvious and natural first step for corralling a bunch of interdependent packages together. > As you now have much automation in place, I'm wondering if you could > you help us with this? As a first step, maybe a big fat warning in > the review pages for binNEW package could already help in some cases. > And maybe holding of acceptance in dubious cases would help too. There are a lot of bin NEW packages, and very few of them are going to trigger a transition. The trick to getting such automation right, would be to know which ones would do that - just blindly throwing up a warning for everyone is just going to train us to ignore the warning! If there were some UDD query we could do for a bin NEW package incoming to unstable that would let us set a flag so we could have a *focused* warning would be better. Perhaps better still, if we're going to warn the reviewer about that, would be to warn the uploader, and require them to unblock the review process before the DFSG team even saw the package. What do you think? Will you be at DebConf? Something to discuss there in more detail, perhaps. Cheers, Andrew. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Porirua, New Zealand +64 (27) 288 6741 Nothing makes a person more productive than the last minute. ----------------------------------------------------------------------
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