> > Todd> On Mon, 20 Jan 1997, Todd Graham Lewis wrote: > Todd> > Todd> On Mon, 20 Jan 1997, Boris D. Beletsky wrote: > Todd> > Todd> > Linux is great but thouse are NOT linux only things. > Todd> > Todd> OK, you're right, these are features generic to gnu-ish shells like > bash > Todd> and zsh which receive their greatest exposure through Linux. > > [t]csh has fg,bg stuff built in. And tcsh isn't gnu-ish
This was a discussion about Virtual consoles, not about job-control. Yes, Jobcontrol has nothing to do with linux (more with Unix), but Virtual Consoles really aren't built in tcsh. With virtual consoles we mean the stuff you see when you press ALT_F[0-6] (or, ALT_CONTROL_F[0-6], if you're in X), and with them you can have several programmes running on their own screen, not like the &/bg/fg/^z jobcontrol, then the programmes can run at the same time (that's just unix), but they will mess up eachother's output (try running two vi/emacs sessions without VC/X, but just using jobcontrol, and you'll see the difference between VC's and jobcontrol). > P.S that diesn't mean that linux isn't great :-) It means that Linux has another extra feature (VC's) that most (all?) other usixes don't have, but whether that means Linux is much better than FreeBSD/SCO/NT, I really don't know (I don't use the other systems) -- joost witteveen [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Use Debian/GNU Linux! -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] >From miss Received: from mongo.pixar.com (138.72.50.60) by master.debian.org with SMTP; 21 Jan 1997 23:17:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 11811 invoked from network); 21 Jan 1997 18:09:58 -0000 Received: from primer.i-connect.net (HELO master.debian.org) ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) by mongo.pixar.com with SMTP; 21 Jan 1997 18:09:58 -0000 Message-Id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date:Tue, 21 Jan 1997 13:08:57 -0500 From: Ami Ganguli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Organization: Ganguli Consulting Inc. X-Sender: Ami Ganguli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.0b1 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dale Scheetz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: Withdrawl of fee for producing Debian CDs X-Priority: Normal References: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"QuXzV1.0.at.ZQGvo"@master.debian.org> Resent-From: debian-user@lists.debian.org Resent-Reply-To: debian-user@lists.debian.org X-Mailing-List: <debian-user@lists.debian.org> archive/latest/4087 X-Loop: debian-user@lists.debian.org Precedence: list Priority: non-urgent Importance: low Resent-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dale Scheetz wrote: > It's not clear that we have been listening to the same group. At least, I > never opposed the payment portion of your idea. Ditto. I suspect that the feedback that caused Bruce to change his mind came through private mail from developers. > P.S. Just another point. If we had a place to deposit money, any future > montary problems could be solved by "small" donations from the developers. > I'd certainly send in $10 to help finance the project through any tough > times. If the rest of the group feels as I do this would yield $1600 > dollars in one fell swoop. This wouldn't get very many people to trade > shows, but it would provide funds for advertising and other promotional > material. You need a clear idea of what you want to spend the money on before you go fund-raising, but I support the idea in general. Charging (or asking for contributions from) developers isn't going to get you very far, though. They already contribute time, I don't think expecting cash as well is really fair. And $1600 is small potatoes in the grand scheme of things. Charging distributors (and thus end-users, indirectly) seem more reasonable and more likely to raise enough cash to actually get something done. Having said all that, it needs to be stated clearly somewhere (in a charter or something) that the purpose of the Debian project is NOT to raise money or produce a fancy disk. I think everybody agrees with this, but it should be stated (etched in stone) somewhere explicitly and some ground rules laid down so that we never become dependant on the cash. Regards... ... Ami. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]