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>---- Original Message ----
>From: noi...@gmx.net
>To: sou...@gmail.com
>Subject: Re: X11 without HAL: "DontZap" in /etc/X11/xorg.conf doesn't
>workanymore
>Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 18:29:31 +0200
>
>>Jeff Soules wrote:
>>>> HAL is not "technology moving forward".
>>>>
>>>> It is a project dedicated to taking away the right to do what you
>want.
>>> 
>>> I'm sorry, your argument is "HAL hates freedom?"  Seriously?  You
>>> believe there is an entire team of malicious devs who've devoted
>their
>>> weekends to oppressing your choice of mouse buttons?
>>> 
>>>> And the persistance of not understanding this that I face here is
>just sad.
>>>> You people don't seem to know what door you leave open here and
>how it could
>>>> affect the future and usability of Linux in a negative way.
>>> 
>>> All right, I'll bite.  How specifically could it affect the future
>and
>>> usability of Linux in a negative way?  What disasters might
>happen,
>>> what door are we leaving open here?  What does HAL do that you
>don't
>>> like?
>>
>>It takes away my right to do what I want. And it does so because its
>
>>installation is enforced per dependency.
>>
>>I can imagine making Linux safer to use for beginners by having a
>daemon 
>>in the background running that overwrites changed config files with 
>>default values to prevent clueless people from trashing their
>system.
>>
>>That daemon could be enforced as a dependency of the Linux Standard
>Base 
>>to ensure less questions like "Help! My Linux doesn't work anymore."
>in 
>>this mailing list.
>>
>>That would be very convenient and to hell with people who don't need
>it.
>>
>>> You can't be too upset with us for not understanding that when
>you've
>>> made very little effort to explain it (beyond "I might have to
>learn
>>> how to fix it").
>>
>>It is not: "I might have to learn how to fix it"
>>
>>It is: "I can't deinstall it even though it could be possible"
>>
>>
>>
>>Dirk
>>
Pardon a mild intervention but I seem to recall a very similar thread
on a very similar topic several months ago that, as this one seems to
be heading, ended with frustration on both sides.  Is Don Quixote in
the house?
Larry
>>
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