On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 9:39 PM, Russell L. Harris <rlhar...@broadcaster.org> wrote: > > Forgive me for painting with too broad a brush. I did not mean to > target you specifically, or even to include you in the group to which > I referred.
Fair enough. >> It's not helpful how often we get that: "Move to another distro". > > I disagree somewhat. A single OS cannot fit the desires of every > user. I do not wish the desires of the many to result in a > transmogrification which no longer serves the needs of present Debian > users. There is a place for novelty and the Ubuntu way of doing > things, but that place is not Debian. I see. Considering what you thought to be a rush, this makes sense. But your premise were wrong. I understand that this "recommendation" sometimes is the way to go. But I still think we see that too much. Anyway, I understand your point. > There needs to be a "critical mass"; but beyond that point, an > increase in numbers is not necessarily beneficial. Critical mass is the minimum to set an event. Debian has passed that long time ago. I may be a dreamer, but I would love to see Debian take over the world. But this is probably not a Debian way. So you may say, if I want to see a distro take over, I might be better moving to Ubuntu! Ahahaha! Just joking. There is something I would like to talk: about standards. This would be a bit off-topic, forgive-me. When I decided to move "TO" Debian, one of my concerns was to be on a distro that sets its way, not a distro that follows. Debian moto is "The Universal Operating System". And that is the appeal to me. I love standards. I would give my kingdom to have only ".deb" instead of 3 or 4 (RPM, tar.gz, among others). Why? Because I think linux would win a lot with standardization. But well, people from RPM would not like it... Other things also. CUPS, sound, and the more polemic: KDE! I know this would never happens... But since it would never happens, that's another motivation to be part of Debian, the greater distribution. If we can't have 100% linux users, I can at least be part of the distro I believe most to truly represent gnu/linux spirit. And I can only hope people would join more. > >> If the answer to my question of "estimate" is May, so be it. Its an >> estimate, isn't it? Would it hurt Debian if we postpone Wheezy to >> April or May? I don't think so. But to September 2014, I think we >> might have a problem within the cycle. > > If something is broken or something (such as network manager) is too > complex to be generally usable, then a speedy fix is needed. And > sometimes a fix entails extensive redesign; in that case, delay is > regrettable. > > In this matter, I perhaps am a bit sensitive, because of my experience > with WordPress. I began blogging with WordPress 1.0. But before > long, the defining characteristic of WordPress became "a new release > every time the wind changes". And each new release demanded that > numerous customizations be re-done. At that point, WordPress had been > transformed from a productive tool into something of a religion which > demanded entirely too much time and effort of the end user. I wished > to spend my time in the writing of blogs, not in a never-ending cycle > of re-installation and customization of WordPress. So at that point I > went in search of another blogging engine. I do not wish to see > Debian follow that path. > I think we just agree here. > > >> I just want to go fast to Wheezy, because Wheezy is a penguin with a >> red bow tie. > > From what I have heard, Wheezy ought to be a penguin with a millstone > tied about its neck. ;) > > I look forward to the release of Wheezy in the sense that that the > release frees the development team to work on a new version in which, > hopefully, many of the "look and feel" innovations of Wheezy are > relegated to the dumpster. > > RH My best! Beco -- Dr Beco A.I. researcher --> . <-- "Look again at that dot. That's here. That's home. That's us. On it everyone you love, everyone you know..." (Carl Sagan, 1934-1996) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/caluyw2wthuftgugxpkj8y5tvfpz9rnapiqvb_zftwxqoweq...@mail.gmail.com