On Tue 08 Jul 2014 at 23:22:36 +0900, Joel Rees wrote:

> On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 1:53 AM, Brian <a...@cityscape.co.uk> wrote:
> > On Sun 06 Jul 2014 at 19:01:38 +0100, Brian wrote:
> >
> >> You had the time on similar dubious grounds to doubt the veracity of the
> >> information you were given.
> >
> > It is possible the last mail did not fully or clearly address your major
> > concern.
> >
> > With systemd-journald running or not running ('systemctl mask
> > systemd-journald') 'ps ax' shows /usr/sbin/rsyslogd listening. Messages
> > are logged to the usual places in /var/log. You can be confident that
> > the information you already had about binary logs with journald was not
> > false.                                                              ^
>                                                                       ^
> Sorry, but you've over-trimmed at this point. I've been trying to     |
> participate in the thread and I can't tell what concerns you must     |
> think you have answered. Partly because, if you've added anything new |
> to the conversation, I can't see it.                                  |
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In                                                                      |
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   https://lists.debian.org/53b97149.3090...@rail.eu.org                |
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this concern was voiced:                                                |
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 > So it means that when I read on this list that we would not have to  |
 > suffer binary logs with journald, it was false...                    ^
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>From a couple of tests I concluded no suffering was in the offing.     |
This paragraph is what I wrote: -------> ----------------> --------------

I then followed up with

   https://lists.debian.org/20140707181026.gi27...@copernicus.demon.co.uk

where it says

 > So your text-based logs won't be gone with the switch to systemd.
 > Let me repeat that: Jessie will have text-based logs, nothing in that
 > regard changes.

Eyes opened?

There is a number of things users are rightly concerned about when
upgrading to jessie; having only binary logs isn't one of them.


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