Martin Steigerwald wrote:
Am Donnerstag, 25. September 2014, 01:45:50 schrieb lee:
Martin Steigerwald <mar...@lichtvoll.de> writes:
Am Montag, 22. September 2014, 23:50:46 schrieb lee:
Martin Steigerwald <mar...@lichtvoll.de> writes:
Do you really think they will be able to prevent all the other
software from depending on a particular init system or parts of it?
Well… thats to be taken upstream, isn´t it?
Then why don't the developers or the distributions do just that? Nobody
cares when one user or another questions whether it's a good idea to
depend on systemd, and it might be much different if a lot of developers
and/or whole distributions would, in the interest of their users,
question this dependency and refuse their support eventually until the
issues systemd and software depending on it brings about.
[…]
Fedora does already depend on systemd --- and I would say completely.
Or do you see a choice here?
And exactly *how* is this relevant to Debian?
And still I think its important to take this upstream.
Upstream, from the users point of view, are the makers of the
distribution in the first place. I can't very well make a bug report
against systemd directly because Debian has decided to support it, can
I. That's not a problem of systemd.
To get involved with everything seems to have been a design decision of
systemd. What do you expect will happen when I make a bug report
directly against systemd, explaining them that it's broken by design?
Or should I make a bug report against the X server because it depends on
systemd? Or the other way round? Or perhaps against cups instead?
Or to *help*. Make a logind that does not depend on systemd. Offer it to
the upstreams that need it.
I'm sure it would be ignored or rejected --- even if I had the knowledge
to make anything like that and was able to keep up with what other ppl
are doing.
I do think that you don´t want change.
You expect distro developers to fix it for you. You are not willing to take
things upstream.
So let's see:
- the technical committee selects takes a vote that essentially imposes
systemd on all of the upstream developers and packagers
- systemd seems to have some rather frequently changing APS's - to the
extent that systemd-shim lags well behind
- but the resulting impacts should be taken up with each and every
upstream developer?
Somehow that doesn't sound right.
Miles Fidelman
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