On 11/4/2014 6:08 PM, Laurent Bigonville wrote: > Le Tue, 04 Nov 2014 17:26:40 -0500, > Miles Fidelman <mfidel...@meetinghouse.net> a écrit : > >> Laurent Bigonville wrote: >>> Le Tue, 04 Nov 2014 16:57:20 -0500, >>> Jerry Stuckle <jstuc...@attglobal.net> a écrit : >>> >>>> On 11/4/2014 4:41 PM, Laurent Bigonville wrote: >>>>> Le Tue, 04 Nov 2014 21:08:50 +0100, >>>>> Peter Nieman <gmane-a...@t-online.de> a écrit : >>>>> >>>>>> On 04/11/14 19:04, Laurent Bigonville wrote: >>>>>>> Using the threat of forking to make people change their mind >>>>>> I didn't threaten anybody. >>>>>> >>>>>>> do not send 100 mails to ML's >>>>>> I didn't. I don't even know what "ML's" are. >>>>> That was not directed to you, but a more generic statement about >>>>> people talking about forking debian. >>>>> >>>>> (ML's == Mailing List's) >>>>> >>>>> >>>> I don't see that as a "threat". I see it as an attempt to >>>> determine if there are enough others interested to make it a >>>> viable project. >>>> >>>> And lists like this one are a perfect place to find out of there >>>> are other users interested in such a project. >>> http://debianfork.org/: >>> >>> "If systemd will be substituting sysvinit in Debian, we will fork >>> the project and create a new distro. We hope this won't be >>> necessary, but we are well prepared for it." >>> >>> I call that a threat. And the same kind of message are all around >>> the debian mailing lists and other social media. >>> >>> >> >> Does it really matter if it's a "threat," or a statement of intent, >> or even just a wish? You seem to imply that there's something wrong >> with such a statement. >> >> Given the number of folks who are saying "if you don't like systemd, >> go somewhere else," and the tradition of forking open source software >> (and linux distributions) over various differences of opinion -- what >> is it that you're objecting to? >> >> Personally, I see it as a clear and strong statement of >> dissatisfaction that's likely to lead to significant defection from >> Debian - to other existing distros, and possibly to one or more new >> forks. >> >> What, exactly, is it that you are objecting to here? That folks >> aren't just happy to go along with a major shift in Debian? That >> people are making their opinions clear? That people won't adopt >> Jessie, and will desert Debian once Wheezy starts to reach EOL? That >> folks might go so far as to create a new fork? Something else? > > I'm objecting to the fact that they are doing announcement like that > instead of actually forking. That kind of message contributes to the > never ending discussion that is for a long time draining the energy of a > lot of developers (including me). >
Why? Before forking, one needs to know if there is sufficient support to create a fork. There is no reason to fork if only one or two want it. I don't see where the announcement is "draining the energy of a lot of developers" - unless you're afraid the fork will succeed better than Debian. > The situation for jessie will NOT change (the freeze is the Thu 6/11 at > 00:00 UTC around 25h from now), systemd will stay the default init > system for jessie as this decision is clearly not challenged by the GR. > Which does not affect the fork - except maybe to increase the support for it. > The "funny" thing is that there is ATM NO software in the debian archive > that requires systemd as PID1 to run[0] (zero, null, nil, None). So even > if Ian's GR passes, nothing will in practice change. There is software > however requiring _components_ of systemd to run properly, but from my > understanding this is again NOT covered by the GR. > No, but as it stands the default is systemd - and that has a huge effect on future packages. > So people not happy with today's situation and calling to fork will not > be more happy tomorrow. > Why not? If there is a fork which gets rid of systemd, it will make a lot of people happier. > So to summarize: > > - Debian releases jessie > - People that still want to fork do whatever they want > - Everybody is happy > - End of the story > Yes, but you seem to want to stifle any discussion of a possible fork. > [0] OK I lied there is systemd-cron > >> >> Miles Fidelman >> >> Jerry -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/545987d0.9050...@attglobal.net