On 11/23/2014 11:25 PM, Ric Moore wrote: > On 11/23/2014 09:20 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote: >> On 11/23/2014 8:42 PM, Ric Moore wrote: >>> On 11/23/2014 12:17 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote: >>> That is the huge majority of Debian users. >>>> Some will get a rude surprise when they upgrade and things don't >>>> work as >>>> expected. >>> >>> Like what?? I first installed systemd back when it was announced. I have >>> yet to have a single problem with it. >>> >> >> What about all of those people with custom software running which relies >> on sysv init for starting? There are a lot of those systems out there - >> and every one of them will need work to conform to systemd. Many of >> those users will find it less time consuming and costly to change to >> another distro. It can be very expensive to bring someone up to speed >> on the systemd, then change and test all of their custom software (or >> pay a consultant to do it for you). >> >>>> Many will be able to fix those problems - but at a cost of time and >>>> manpower. Others will have neither the time nor the money to fix the >>>> problems, and still others will not have the technical expertise to do >>>> so. >>> >>> And yet the Linux community continues to lurch from pillar to post, as >>> always, surviving by our collective wits. That is our strength. That >>> part you just don't seem to appreciate, that nothing is ever static and >>> that change that is inherent within our little meritocracy and is our >>> greatness. >>> >> >> Yes, and while the Linux community continues, Debian will lose a lot of >> dedicated users due to this decision. Possibly another fork, or >> possibly another distro. But Debian will lose users. > > > How will Debian lose users? Debian is one of the LAST distros to adopt > systemd. Wheezy is good for another couple of years and it's still > running systemv. You're not suggesting that your user base will run > Jessie anytime soon? > >> Sure, people who only run software in .deb packages won't be hit as >> hard. But that is definitely not the entire Debian user base. > > Again, if you stick with wheezy, you have zero immediate concerns for > your scripts and customers. > >
There are other distros which don't use systemd, such as Gentoo. Then there is always BSD. And while Wheezy will still be supported for a couple of years, it's not necessarily the answer. While many people don't want the "latest and greatest", they also don't want the "oldest and baddest". Jerry -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/54733023.3070...@gmail.com