On 20150421_1930+0100, Brian wrote: > On Tue 21 Apr 2015 at 10:38:03 -0600, Paul E Condon wrote: > > > On 20150421_1248+0100, Brian wrote: > > > On Tue 21 Apr 2015 at 11:30:55 +0000, Bonno Bloksma wrote: > > > > > > > >>>>Also 'Expert' doesn't really imply that that user is an expert. > > > > >>> > > > > >>>It does to me. Strange name choice if that is not the case. > > > > >> > > > > >> Would "advanced setup" be better? Ric > > > > > > > > > > Yeah it would, it implies access to finer grained features than to > > > > > the skill level of the person installing. > > > > > > > > > > Could be just me that sees it that way though. :) > > > > > > > > Nope, I think you are absolutely right. I never selected "Expert" > > > > install as > > > > I am in no way an Expert, but it seems I should have. > > > > > > > > I definitely understand pretty much all that is offered there. > > > > I might not use it all but "Advanced" covers better what the option > > > > intends > > > > to offer. > > > > > > What does it offer that is more advanced than what is offered by > > > partitioning and installing GRUB in the regular install? > > > > In my case it offered the option of manual entry of an IP address for > > the computer, as opposed to letting DHCP provide an IP address. > > The majority of people wouldn't know the difference between an address > allocated by DHCP and a fixed address. Furthermore, they probably do not > care. The installer does the right thing with the regular install. It > caters for the most usual situation in which Debian is installed. > > Someone who does not realise that a fixed address is important for them > can do corrections from the installer when it dawns on them. Its a > win-win for the installer. > > > For experts, 'Expert install' apparently offers a check-list of things > > to decide this time, like the pre-flight check-list for airplane > > pilots. Experts in any topic tend like and use check-list, IMHO. > > You are equating 'Expert install' with 'experts' rather than with 'more > control'. Maybe we should have 'Debian Simulators ' to mimic the flight > simulators for aeroplane pilots. Oh - we do?; its called 'Change debconf > priority'. > > > I learned that almost no one who has deep experience and real > > expertise regularly uses the non-expert path and thus can understand > > what a newbie is talking about when the newbie is asking for help with > > the most recent implementation of netinst. Knowing the context of a > > question is important to giving focused comment and help. I see this > > as a problem worth thinking about. > > I use the regular path frequently. Possibly more frequently than a > preseeded install. I'd question the first sentence; it implies that > that person has little idea about what they are doing. > > > I have no idea for a realistic solution. I don't believe any newbie > > reads ALL the documentation that is available just a few mouse clicks > > away from www.debian.org. Everyone has a point where they decide they > > are ready to try it, and they stop reading and start doing. When > > should that be? Who is qualified to critisize a mistaken decision? > > Everyone is qualified; it is the way we make progress in any field of > endeavour. > > 'ALL' documentation amounts to the manual and the Release Notes. I would > I hope a budding aeroplane pilot would familiarise herself with what the > machine can do before operating it. > Thanks, for your comment. It is very revealing. Peace, -- Paul E Condon pecon...@mesanetworks.net
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