On Thursday 14 January 2016 21:04:32 Charlie Kravetz wrote: > On Fri, 15 Jan 2016 00:27:19 +0000 > > Lisi Reisz <lisi.re...@gmail.com> wrote: > >On Thursday 14 January 2016 23:49:03 Gene Heskett wrote: > >> On Thursday 14 January 2016 17:39:59 Johann Klammer wrote: > >> > On 01/14/2016 10:50 PM, Gene Heskett wrote: > >> > > On Thursday 14 January 2016 16:18:08 Johann Klammer wrote: > >> > >> Synaptic runs on your box? > >> > >> Years ago, when I tried it, it would always crash right on > >> > >> startup.... use aptitude. It seems a lot more stable... > >> > > > >> > > Back on list where it belongs. > >> > > > >> > > I just ran it, and its obvious it doesn't reference the same > >> > > database of installed files that apt and synaptic use. It just > >> > > now wanted > >> > > >> > AFAIK, It does use the same database. Your system seems hosed... > >> > Are you running it on the box that the OS is installed on, or on > >> > some (boot... ,whatever) client? > >> > >> Directly on the os and box connected to this keyboard, no vpn's or > >> anything else involved. > >> > >> > > to "upgrade" or sidegrade, 292 packages. Refreshing the list > >> > > didn't help but it reminded me of the 4 color screens we had on > >> > > the amiga's back in the amigados-1.3 days. Positively an > >> > > assault on the eyeballs. > >> > > >> > press u to update. > >> > >> I did, didn't affect its faulty judgement a bit. It still wanted to > >> update nearly 300 packages. > >> > >> > > But when an uptodate system is said to have 292 old or > >> > > defective packages on it, I'm not sure I want it mucking around > >> > > in MY used car lot. > >> > > >> > what kind of defective? broken? that means the dependencies are > >> > not met... Press e to start the interactive resolver. > >> > a and r to accept or reject. > >> > >> I'd have no clue what its doing in the background when I do that. > >> FWIW, I had it hose the system on my laptop about 4 years ago with > >> exactly this sort of a starting point. I'll pass as its 99.99% > >> working right now. > >> > >> > > For what its worth, as root, an apt-get update, followed by an > >> > > apt-get upgrade reports 0 package to upgrade. > > The answer may be in the above sentence. What does apt-get update, > followed by apt-get dist-upgrade show? upgrade on its own does not > upgrade all packages. It skips kernel and some other stuff. Perhaps > that accounts for the differences?
Will that not update me to Jessie? I'd rather not take that step until a fresh spin is available from linuxcnc.org, not too long after 16.04 LTS is out. > >> > > From that it would appear aptitude is confused at best, broken > >> > > at worst. > >> > >> No comment? Seems like the above report does warrant some sort of > >> a reply. > > > >Gene, it isn't worthy of a response, so Johann wisely ignored it. > > Johann - Gene has wheezy-backports fully enabled in his > > sources.list, with, so far as I can tell, the same pinning as the > > other sources. Synaptic used it to upgrade over 300 packages. It > > is probably some kind of kludge, resulting from this,that Aptitude > > is trying to sort out. > > > >Gene enjoys breaking his system and then seeing if he can make it run > > again. Genuinely. I believe. If it actually ran smoothly he would > > probably be bored, and immediately deliberately break it again. He > > wants to write all his own scripts, and is frustrated that he is not > > as good at it as when he was younger (I can empathise there!!), but > > uses a GUI package manager which isn't as good at sorting out > > problems, and shies away from the CLI. :-/ > > > >But, as I say, Aptitude is probably unhappy with a system fully > > upgraded to Backports. > > > >> > > All of these tools are, AFAIK, supposed to be using the same > >> > > sources.list, and the same installed list. update-manager does > >> > > but Obviously aptitude is not. > >> > > > >> > > I believe I'll stick to using synaptic. > >> > >> +10 > > > >Glad you still wholeheartedly agree with yourself, Gene. ;-) > > > >Lisi Cheers, Gene Heskett -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>