On Fri, 24 Mar 2017 10:29:09 +0000 Lisi Reisz <lisi.re...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Friday 24 March 2017 10:20:46 Jonathan Dowland wrote: > > On Thu, Mar 23, 2017 at 11:07:22AM +0100, Mart van de Wege wrote: > > > I disagree. Sometimes there is no disagreement, someone is just > > > plain wrong. Catherine has been given the use cases that disprove > > > her thesis, and has been contradicting herself. > > > > Catherine's *suggestion* has been shot down for causing problems > > for some use-cases; but the problem she wants to address still > > exists and is still in need of a solution. I see very little > > interest here in people actually addressing the problem (except > > Catherine); just a lot of "Get off my lawn"-style posts, and a > > propensity of people to misprepresent *their* opinion with that of > > the project as a whole. > > > if they insist on not wanting to be educated > > > > Interestingly that's exactly how I'd characterize most of the > > responses *to* Catherine; deaf ears to the problem, due to > > dissatisafaction with a proposed solution. > > > > > at a certain point you must simply wash > > > your hands of them. It's not nice, but it *is* constructive. > > > > "Washing your hands" is deleting the thread and moving on; it's not > > posting aggressive, toxic messages. > > What we have *all* been losing sight of in this thread is that none > of us can do anything about it anyway. An installer proposal needs > making to the installer developers. > And before that happens, there needs to be some sort of consensus as to what might constitute an improvement, which a group of Debian users might reasonably be expected to discuss. Politely. I would have thought that where an installation is expected to end up without a network connection, particularly a netinstall, the user should be notified and asked whether to continue. I've mentioned recently that I once did a non-expert netinstall, in the days when I used static addresses and no DHCP, and was miffed to find I had no network interfaces at the end of the process. I wasn't a complete beginner, I had more than one computer available, and it wasn't that hard to fix, but I was still annoyed not to have been warned about this behaviour, which was completely undesirable but deliberate, beforehand. Not quite the same situation, but similar. -- Joe