On 16.01.22 22:36, Pierre-Elliott Bécue wrote:
Anders Andersson <pipat...@gmail.com> wrote on 16/01/2022 at 17:09:01+0100:
On Sat, Jan 15, 2022 at 11:29 AM Marco Möller
<ta...@debianlists.mobilxpress.net> wrote:
Does somebody has information about what in the background has happened,
which made Norbert leaving the team?
Considering that Debian is a community project and myself feeling to be
part of the community, although not actively involved in its maintenance
and development, I am wondering what is going on in the community after
his post from yesterday sounds like there are things happening in the
community, which not all the community might be aware of.
In his blog he wrote "After having been (again) demoted [...] based on
flimsy arguments, I have been forced to rethink the level of
contribution I want to do for Debian."
https://www.preining.info/blog/2022/01/future-of-my-packages-in-debian/
I wish that someone could publish some background information, neutral
and respectful and without harming anybody. I am absolutely not
interested to start here in public a war of recriminations. I simply
feel that it would be worth for the health of the community to get a
more transparent view on what is going on in the community.
Do you have some background information which you could share in PLEASE
neutral, well thought text, serving the community and its transparency
instead of rupturing it?
Thanks, Marco.
I read a few of the comments on the blog you linked to, and he replies
to one comment:
"No there is no public record (for now), as all happened on
debian-private. In due time I will document the whole process, since I
have access to all of debian-private until recently. Time to show what
really went on."
Maybe you just have to wait a while. This will of course only be one
side of the story.
And as debian-private is private, there is little to no chance a Debian
Member will provide any mail Norbert might not provide.
And, for the sake of clarity, neither Norbert should provide no mail at
all, for the forementioned reason.
For transparency in a community driven project I do not think it would
be needed to share private messages.
Instead, a statement like the following would provide some transparency:
"the package maintainer was asked to comply to the following rules
...(stating which ones...) but apparently no conciliation was reached;
therefore the committee ...(stating which committee)... decided to take
the following measures ...(which measures)..."
Without transparency the Debian project does not present itself as
community driven, but as a closer circle of directing minds hiding the
reasoning for their decisions. Skeptics might even ask who in such
conjectured circle is providing truly independent work to the project
and who is getting paid paid by whom for the efforts put into the
project and then link taken decisions simply to monetary pressure? Such
rumors can easily be defeated by more transparency.
I would expect that factual statements can be published without
violating privacy of private conversations.
Maybe some insider can speak up and shed light on the situation.
Best wishes,
Marco
