On Fri 28 Nov 2025 at 13:57:12 (+0100), Vincent Lefevre wrote: > On 2025-11-21 15:37:18 -0600, David Wright wrote: > > On Sun 16 Nov 2025 at 01:19:35 (+0100), Vincent Lefevre wrote: > > > I installed my new laptop from a USB memory stick with a netinst > > > image + wifi I think. But wpasupplicant alone is not practical. > > > > I'm not quite sure why you say wpasupplicant alone. > > I meant without an additional interface. This was more or less > needed in 2009, but I don't remember the issues. Then I quickly > looked again in 2022, but I don't remember exactly, except that: > > https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=1012844 > > (which eventually got fixed).
I'm not sure what this has to do with the alleged difference between packages installed by "Debian desktop" and GNOME. Not that I've bothered to go back to bookworm to analyse the dependencies there as I did for trixie. (And I don't have much experience configuring wpasupplicant myself, because the d-i leaves ifupdown installed, which can do that job itself.) > > > > You don't need any of the DE, servers, etc checked for that. If you > > > > want Bigsy's specific choice, network-manager, then you're probably > > > > going to have to install it yourself. > > > > > > I'm wondering whether ifupdown configuration set up at install > > > time (e.g. in case of Ethernet network) could be in the way if > > > the intent is to use network-manager. > > > > If you want NM to manage an interface, comment out its > > configuration in /etc/network/interfaces or mangle its > > filename in /etc/network/interfaces.d/ to hide it. > > (Debian naming conventions.) > > [ … ] There should be a way to > get NM installed at installation time without a DE. Is there not—AFAIK you just add pkgsel/include foo,bar,baz to the kernel command line with a list of whichever packages you want (Installation Manual §B.4.11). The d-i makes that line accessible with Advanced Options (ibid. §5.1.5). > > If you want NM to manage an interface, [ do this or that. ] > Something that one shouldn't have to do. I don't understand how or why the d-i should have to guess the configurations you want for ifupdown and NM. Isn't that the role of the sysadmin. Cheers, David.
