On 21/03/19 at 08:38 +0100, Andreas Tille wrote: > > So, to answer your question, I do think having a wide discussion and > > then some final decision for it scheduled would be useful. I wouldn't > > want to force dh9+ per sé (people still use CDBS and are apparently > > happy with it), but I do agree those old style makefiles are holding us > > back. > > I do not want to turn this into a cdbs to dh flamewar. Before dh 7 > Debian Med policy mentioned cdbs explicitly. We moved away to dh now. > I'm pretty sure the rsync maintainer would have refused a patch to > convert to cdbs as well. Several teams inside Debian have agreed to > team policies recommending modern tools to simplify the life of all team > members. I'd love to see something like this for the Debian Developer > team as a whole.
I think that we lack data about such evolutions (see https://www.lucas-nussbaum.net/blog/?p=945 about solving that) According to lintian data, the current status is: udd=> select information, count(*) from lintian where tag='debian-build-system' group by information order by 2 desc; information | count --------------------------------------+------- dh | 24400 cdbs-with-debhelper.mk | 2010 debhelper | 1942 dhmk | 227 cdbs-with-debhelper.mk, debhelper | 155 other | 116 debhelper, dhmk | 9 cdbs-without-debhelper.mk | 8 cdbs-without-debhelper.mk, debhelper | 4 (9 rows) (see also https://anarc.at/blog/2019-02-05-debian-build-systems/ ) I uploaded a list with maintainers and packages at https://blop.info/pub/helpers.txt (generated with select information, maintainer, count(*), array_agg(source) from sources inner join lintian on sources.source = lintian.package where tag='debian-build-system' and information != 'dh' and release = 'sid' group by information, maintainer order by 3 desc; ) Looking at the list, it seems that outside of some teams that standardize on tools that do not use dh directly (Haskell, Qt/KDE), and teams that have not yet migrated everything to a new tool (Perl, Java, OCaml), there's mainly a long tail of packages that are probably quite outdated. The difficult question (not really for the DPL candidates, but they can answer it ;) ) is: how do we decide that dh is the recommended practice, and that non-recommended practices get a lintian warning? Lucas
