On Tue, 18 Aug 2026 at 23:39, Zlatan Todoric <[email protected]> wrote:
> Now with that out of the way - your emails regarding this topic are in > theory partially true (you throw some small facts and links here and > there which one can just easily find opposite ones that are valid) but > in practice they are bullshit. The specific examples you mentioned were already debunked by others, so I will not continue on that. However, here I do want to talk about this point very explicitly. If the core anti-AI argument is that "AI is destroying climate", then me showing examples of AI development and usage that are *not* destroying the environment is sufficient evidence to prove that this statement is wrong. Additional argumentation that nothing in the AI processes *requires* environmentally-damaging processes gives the foundation *why* the argument is worng. On the contrary - showing example where some *individual* AI providers choose to destroy environment provides no proof that **AI** is destroying the climate. It *only* proves the malfeasance of *those* specific providers. Nothing more. It is a basic failure of logic. If you claim that "all dogs are black" and I show you a white dog, then your argument is refuted. It does not matter how many black dogs you can show. It does not matter that the few very popular dogs that are all the time on TV are all black right now. I hope that clarifies my line of argument. There is a very good and important argument to be had to demand/encourage AI service providers to use green energy and sustainable cooling solutions and publish numbers showing them doing so. Same for AI model developers - it would be really good if they were trained with green energy and published that data more. OTOH that should apply to all datacenters, not just AI. BTW: AFAIK we (as in Debian) are currently *NOT* explicitly demanding the use of green energy from any of our datacenters runnign Debian services and CI infrastructure. I see nothing about it on https://www.debian.org/partners/partners and https://www.debian.org/partners/ also does not mention sustainability. IMHO we should be consequent in doing that as well. -- Best regards, Aigars Mahinovs
