Hi I wanted to get an ISO-image.
My eye caught the paragraph-headline "Om at komme i gang" (About getting started). So I used the 2 links in this sentence: "Hvis du vil begynde at bruge Debian, kan du nemt få fat i et eksemplar <https://www.debian.org/distrib/> og dernæst følge installationsvejledningen <https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual> for at installere det." (If you want to start using Debian, you can easily 'get a copy' and then follow 'the installation guide' to install.) You wrote: > Probably the easiest we can do is list popular operating system and > hardware category combinations: Yes - I think that would be brilliant! Sorry if I offended you with my language, but when I saw that cryptic list of options, I felt I had intruded into a closed club where I was not really welcome. Henrik -- Henrik Rosenø, M.Sc (civilingeniør) Website: www.Transformation.DK Spiritual, psychological, ethical, and political subjects. Den 29-10-2017 kl. 05:17 skrev Paul Wise: > On Sat, Oct 28, 2017 at 5:50 PM, Henrik Rosenø wrote: > >> When I finally get to a page from where I can download a DVD ISO-image of > The front page has a link to download the 64-bit PC Network installer, > how can we make that more obvious to you? > > https://www.debian.org/ > >> the Debian OS - https://www.debian.org/CD/http-ftp/#stable - I get these >> options to choose from: > All of the /CD and /distrib pages are due for a reorganisation since > years, many people have complained but not enough of them were willing > to work on it. > >> How on Earth am I to know which to choose?? > We have some infrastructure to translate between architecture names > and non-technical descriptions of those architectures but > unfortunately it isn't used consistently throughout the website, > including this page. > > https://anonscm.debian.org/viewvc/webwml/webwml/english/releases/arches.data?view=co > > Also, I guess most non-technical users will never have even heard of > anything except PC and mac. Due to Apple changing hardware suppliers, > ironically both of those are now the same architecture (amd64) so I > wonder if people are assuming Debian doesn't support macs now, since > our amd64 architecture is only described as "64-bit PC". The phrase > "64-bit PC" doesn't even describe other places where the amd64 > architecture is used, including on servers, tablets and some > smartphones. Then there is the problem of the rise in ARM-based > architectures on various smartphones, tablets, the Raspberry Pi, > Chromebooks etc. I doubt many non-technical users associate any of > these devices with the ARM architectures. > > So, I don't think it is feasible to explain to non-technical users > which architecture they want, especially since that changes over time > as hardware companies bring out new products and is very dependent on > the marketing resources of global computer vendors. > > Ultimately a semi-automated human-guided detection system might be the > only way to go but there probably aren't any people who have time and > skills to implement that. > > Probably the easiest we can do is list popular operating system and > hardware category combinations: > > Laptop after 2006 running Apple macOS -> amd64 > Laptop before 2006 running Apple macOS -> powerpc (but probably no > longer supported) > Tablet running Apple iOS -> sorry no support unless you are a hardcore hacker > Smartphone running Apple iOS -> sorry no support unless you are a > hardcore hacker > Laptop running Microsoft Windows -> amd64 > Tablet running Microsoft Windows -> amd64 > Tablet running Microsoft Windows RT -> sorry no support > Smartphone running Google Android -> sorry no support unless you are a > geek or are willing to use one of the chroot apps. > Laptop running Google Chrome -> sorry no support unless you are a geek > Weird IoT devices -> uh, could be any of mips mipsel armel armhf, > probably not supported unless you are a geek > Server -> amd64 > Old server -> sparc64? > New server from IBM -> ppc64el > Server from companies selling ARM stuff -> arm64 > Router -> uh, could be any of mips mipsel armel armhf, probably not > supported unless you are a geek > Mainframe -> s390x > Other -> ?? > >> This puts the Debian website in the 100% nerd/geek category where the rest >> of us just walk away. >> Do you want me to find another Linux distribution instead? > Please use a more friendly tone on Debian lists in future, as > suggested by our codes of conduct: > > https://www.debian.org/code_of_conduct > https://www.debian.org/MailingLists/#codeofconduct >
