Hi John, I apologize. At the time I posted that, I didn't realize that autowhite is no longer being developed. It is what it is...which is a 3rd party utility that sounds like it works well with imail.
Until a day or so ago...I didn't recall autowhite or that we had ever purchased it. Looked at the docs and saw it was supposed to work with smartermail... So I decided to give it a try. It was only after starting down that road, that I discovered the documentation was incomplete and the way it has to be implemented in a smartermail environment isn't very friendly or practical (in my opinion) So I stand by what I said that I would not recommend someone purchase autowhite -- but need to qualify that by saying "unless you use imail". Even so..the tone of my email was overly harsh. I apologize for that, too. _____ From: John T [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Friday, February 18, 2011 1:04 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Idea for new Declude add-on Dave, it is sad to see you take a discussion we were having via email and turn it into an unwarranted attack on a product that has been in use as designed since 2003 and has been working great in its intended and designed use. QUOTE: "This product is not ready to be on the market and certainly should not be something someone pays good money to purchase. It has promise, but its not ready yet." Your purchase was in 2003. BEFORE a version of Declude was created to work with Smartermail. John T eServices For You -----Original Message----- From: "Dave Beckstrom" <[email protected]> Sent 2/18/2011 9:46:15 AM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Idea for new Declude add-on I installed autowhite. This product is not ready to be on the market and certainly should not be something someone pays good money to purchase. It has promise, but its not ready yet. Its advertised as working with Smartermail. To use it in a smartermail environment, you have to go into the registry on the server and enter a number of IMAIL registry keys. None of these required keys are currently documented in the installation docs. John said he is planning on updating the installation documentation. The main problem, however, is that there needs to be a registry key manuall y created for each smartermail email domain. These keys get created under an IMAIL parent key. So if you have a control panel, and resellers create new email domains, the autowhite registry key for that new email domain won't exist. Autowhite won't process for that domain. You would have to modify your control panel to create the registry key or manually create the keys. Autowhite also has a log option. But it won't log without a syslog daemon on the server. Autowhite needs to have an option to log to a text file -- I wouldn't install anything to support a utility being able to log. -----Original Message----- From: Kamran Razvan [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2011 9:01 AM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Idea for new Declude add-on Thanks Dave, Just to show you how it works: [AUTOWHITE.1] external >1 "M:\autowhite\autowhite.exe /<LICENSE CODE> /R5 /L1 %MAILFROM% %REALRECIPS%" -50 0 [AUTOWHITE.2] external >2 "M:\autoWhite\autowhite.exe /<LICENSE CODE> /R5 /L1 %MAILFROM% %REALRECIPS%" -100 0 In here if someone is sent an email to a person then the program tracks how many times that email has been emailed to. Next time when the person email s us the program looks at the sender's counter and we add -50 for 1 hit and -100 for 2 hits and more. Effectively if I email someone twice they are whitelisted. Kami -----Original Message----- From: David Barker [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2011 9:48 AM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Idea for new Declude add-on The author is John Tolmachoff of http://www.eservicesforyou.com/products/autowhite.html -----Original Message----- From: Kamran Razvan [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2011 9:41 AM To: [email protected] Subject: FW: [Declude.JunkMail] Idea for new Declude add-on Dave, This program is the exact behavior that autowhite had and one that we are using now. Unfortunately I don't remember who had written it. Anyone remembers? The program works beautifully. Every time I sent an email the person's email address is added a negative weight. We use it in a combo filter and whitelist the person in all future emails. I know the author decided not to work on it anymore but we have been using it for years. Regards, Kami -----Original Message----- From: David Barker [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2011 8:49 AM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Idea for new Declude add-on Great idea Dave thanks. Question. If a user emails a recipient in what scenario would we not want to whitelist the recipients address ? -----Original Message----- From: Dave Beckstrom [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2011 8:45 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Idea for new Declude add-on I have an idea for something I think would be a useful add-on for declude. Every time someone sends an outbound SMTP email to someone, the add-on woul d add an entry to a filter giving the recipient's "to" address a weight of minus one. Therefore, giving the recipient a credit. Any time the recipient sends an email to my server, minus one gets subtracted from the total score of their email. If a user on my server sends a second email to the same recipient, another minus one credit is added to the filter. Now that recipient has a credit o f minus two. The add-on would be configurable to limit the maximum credit a single address could reach. It would also have an exclusion ability where you could enter a list of email addresses that would never receive any credit. The idea being that the more frequently you email someone, the less likely that email from them would be spam. I know some will argue that "from" addresses can be forged and that perhaps its not a good idea to give credit based on a "from" address. But its not very often at all I ever receive a spam that came from a friend's forged "from" address. I think something along the lines of this type of system could be useful. --- [This E-mail was scanned by Declude] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. 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