Don't know how much to trust it, but MS states that their SMTP service is
designeg so that you cna build third party filters then use it to forward to
your other servers, I believe you can even use rules in the filters to
forward to different servers.  Might be worth a look. Might even be a way to
make Declude work with other mail servers.

Chuck Frolick
ArgoNet, Inc.

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Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] BLARS:Message Processing Order


Yes, until Scott can come up with an SMTP proxy scheme (where Declude
intercepts Port 25 to perform any IP based tests and then passes the packets
on to Imail on a different port number), we will have to first accept the
mail and then "pseudo-bounce" it - even though we already told the other
mail sever that we DID accept it.

I don't like the current solution - but it certainly is a big improvement
over NOT having ANYTHING.

The proxy solution sounds worse than it is.  Declude wouldn't have to
implement the SMTP protocol at all - since it will simply forward packets
to/from Imail.  All it does is inspect the IP header to get the sender's
IP - and, if necessary, will drop the connection to Imail and reply with an
error code to the sender.

Best Regards
Andy Schmidt

Phone:  +1 201 934-3414 x20 (Business)
Fax:    +1 201 934-9206



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Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] BLARS:Message Processing Order


I'm just trying to get the order clear in my processing here.  As I
understand it, messages coming in to iMail are processed thusly:

1)  iMail Kill File (kill.lst)
2)  Declude Virus
3)  Declude JunkMail
4)  iMail's filters

So there's no practical way to kill or delete messages based on
body or header text before it gets processed by Declude JunkMail,
and I can only use the SMTP MAIL FROM: field to delete mail
before it gets to the filters.  Is this correct?

I've been looking to fine tune the system and, for example, I'd like
to delete anything referencing Viagra in the subject line.  What's
happening is that they get caught by Declude JunkMail and I have
to deal with them manually, where iMail's filters can handle what I
want to remove but the messages never make it there.

Thanks,

Jeff

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