I find it funny that EV1 is a major spam source for you, they are my
lagrest competitor here in Houston (they are Houston based).  I know
they use Imail and Declude (they really should monitor these lists,
maybe even try providing some input), and with a reported 300k users,
they should be very conscerned about being reported as a spam source,
I'm sure they expect promt action from anyone they report spammers to.  

Thanks,
Chuck Frolick
ArgoNet, Inc.

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From: "Rifat Levis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, July 25, 2003 5:07 PM
Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Fw: - Resolution of Suspected AUP
Violation -(INFLOW:36688) ([SpamCop id:347295673])


> ABOUT http://www.blackholes.us
>
> As long as it is not a dynamic blocking site , it does not mean
anything .
> Blocking big ranges of ip address , will do a lot of harm ,if the
abuse
> address of the ISP take in consideration
> every abuse report, why blocking the whole ip ranges.

Yes, but in my case I have a few ISPs like EV1, ATTBI (Comcast) and
INFLOW
(I should call them SpamFlow) that ignore reports of spam. They write me
back notes about how I must have been subscribed to the mail lists or
they
didn't know I didn't want their customers spam. When there are abusers
like
the above 3 I flag them, and I could care less if some legit mail is
held
because I use ROUTE TO to put all held mail in a mailbox of mine. I then
do
a sort on subject line. I quickly remove all the obvious spam, and then
I
spend 5 minutes each day quickly moving through the rest of it.
Everything
in that folder that is clearly spam I submit to SpamCop.net because they
are
very good at emailing the appropriate people from headers and message
body
content. When I submit spam reports I have noticed EV1, ATTBI, and
INFLOW
being my main abusers. Since I put in weights for those just now I have
seen
much more spam caught rather than delivered to my users so the high
weights
given to these ISPs was a good thing.

Speaking of your example of blocking a country... well I am giving high
weights to MALAYSIA, KOREA, and CHINA. Again... if 1000 messages are
caught
as spam an I have 10 false positives it's still good to give them high
weights because those 10 FPs I will catch in my ROUTETO mailbox and
deliver.
And when I do that I will look and see if there wasn't a way to give
positive points to those FPs so they would make it through the next
time.

-Josh

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