Kami:

I've been working along similar lines but run into some difficulties. I did succeed in 
getting a
group of managers and team leaders to suggest a list of "good words" which are often 
used in
correspondence, and are now given negative weight. However, there is an occasional 
"nightmare
scenario" that goes like this...

Salesperson Jones meets a potential client. Sales meeting goes well. Client seriously 
considering
purchase of new system costing more than $10,000. Client sends email from a Yahoo 
account to
Salesperson Jones containing text like this: "Very interested in what you described. 
Please call me
at 10 a.m. to discuss purchase." This incoming mail doesn't contain any of our good 
words, and it
comes from a common spam source, has other possible flaws, etc. So it gets tagged as 
spam and
delivery is delayed.

The only quick fix we've found is to assign a large negative weight to email addressed 
to a few
in-house accounts. Of course it's not really a fix if they now get a ton of spam. I've 
suggested a
"special word" that could be distributed to potential new clients for use in sending 
us email, but
the idea has not caught on.

Keith Purtell, Web/Network Administrator
VantageMed Operations (Kansas City)

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Kami Razvan
> Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2003 12:55 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Test suggestion & request for
> comments...
>
>
> Bill..
>
> This goes well along the line of the subject that was
> discussed a while back
> and one that could help a great deal.
>
> Right now we are concentrating on negative aspects of the email - to
> minimize FP and even further reduce CPU we should give some
> attention to
> some positive aspects as well.
>
> If we can identify the positive attributes correctly we can
> further tighten
> our filters and be more generous with weighing the negative
> attributes.
>
> A discussion on positive traits could be a good start & I
> second the motion.
>
> Regards,
> Kami
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bill Landry
> Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2003 1:32 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Test suggestion & request for comments...
>
> Scott, you have probably seen requests like this before,
> however, I think
> this would be a great way to support most corporate and some
> ISP e-mail
> domains with a negative weight based test:
>
> HELO & RDNS domain match -5
> HELO & RDNS & MAILFROM domain match -10
> HELO & RDNS domain match & IPINMX -10 (yes, IP-in-MX) HELO &
> RDNS & MAILFROM
> domain match & IPINMX -15 or ENDALLTESTS
>
> I say "domain" meaning just the last two segments of the
> FQHN, that portion
> that is registered with domain registrar.  Since all of these
> tests are
> already run by Declude, if a bit of logic could be added to
> support a test
> like this, I think it could help us get a lot of legitimate
> mail delivered
> with fewer held due to FPs.
>
> Also, if people feel that the last test above is a very good
> indicator of
> legitimate e-mail, then if this test is run first (before all
> other tests),
> and there is a match with the last test shown above, and
> there was variable
> to ENDALLTESTS (and deliver), then this would also cut down
> on processing
> requirements.
>
> Thoughts anyone...?
>
> Bill
>

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