I received some of these Papal scams from a Bondedsender.

Should I forward the email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Fred


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Cyan Callihan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2004 4:19 PM
Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] BONDEDSENDER, spam hit on Virtumundo


Please send all of your complaints about virtumundo to
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

I will investigate.

Cyan

 -----Original Message-----
From: Matt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sun Jan 18 10:49:12 2004
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] BONDEDSENDER, spam hit on Virtumundo

Orin,

I found a total of 8 bonded messages from Virtumundo in my capture accounts
in the last 5 days (all to the same user).  It's likely that some others
were passed, or even deleted considering, so the total was probably 12-16
messages from this one source to this one user in all (passed entries were
missed for two days).  Those IP's are as follows:


vl208-45.vmlocal.com [216.21.208.45] - Turn the email on your screen into a
fax in their hand.
vl208-44.vmlocal.com [216.21.208.44] - Make your windows as pretty as the
view.
vl208-52.vmlocal.com [216.21.208.52] - Too many shoes? Never heard of such a
thing.
vl208-54.vmlocal.com [216.21.208.54] - Get help, and get out of debt.
vl208-67.vmlocal.com [216.21.208.67] - Answer all questions with a DNA test.
vl208-75.vmlocal.com [216.21.208.75] - When it comes to refinancing, there
really is no time like the present.
vm208-78.adknow-net.com [216.21.208.78] - Low interest credit cards to get
you back on your feet.
vm208-66.adknow-net.com [216.21.208.66] - Need student loan consolidation?

There's two things to note here; 1) the first 6 were held because I have a
filter from Kami that tracked the REVDNS entry, but not the last two, 2)
these are posted in order of being received, and they clearly were moving up
their list of IP's in order to avoid detection, and then they changed their
reverse DNS name as well (which worked in totality when bonded on my
system).

My point really is that if Bonded Sender really cared about "guaranteed
legitimate E-mail", they would have done 10 minutes of due diligence and
figured out what Virtumundo really was before ever listing them in the first
place.  The Bonded Sender site in fact reads like a brochure for
bulk-mailers talking about how many systems they are whitelisted on, but
they then turn around and protect companies like Virtumundo, either by
design, or by a lack of quality control.  Either way, they need to seriously
rethink their business strategy because if they keep slipping up like this,
they won't be able to claim any value to their paying customers.

Personally, I feel like I was scammed.  No big deal, it was easy enough to
fix.  I might suggest that some consideration be made to Declude's default
inclusion and/or weighting of this test (scored at -20 currently).

Matt



Orin Wells wrote:


Forgive me if this has been addressed before, but I would like to hear

from Cyan what the policy and procedures are for de-listing a Bonded

Sender when it is apparent they have disseminated spam. If I were running

the show I would not only de-list them immediately, but I would bar the

company from ever re-gaining certification under any name.



Of course it has to be investigated to make sure the origin had not been

spoofed to protect the innocent from false spamming charges.

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