My fault...I scrolled down in the email to click on the link, but evidently the IP 
address in the HTML link had been removed/corrected...it is still up.

I'm on hold...

Darin.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: John Tolmachoff (Lists) 
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2004 1:28 PM
Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] New Phishing Scam


Still running from here.



Just got off the phone with them and told them very clearly that they are now 
considered an accessory to the crime. The person I talked too that answered the phone 
would not let me talk to any one else, he just kept saying that his supervisor has 
been notified.



John Tolmachoff

Engineer/Consultant/Owner

eServices For You



-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin Bilbee
Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2004 10:14 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] New Phishing Scam



Still running from my end. I turned caching off on my machine.





Kevin Bilbee

  -----Original Message-----
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Darin Cox
  Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2004 10:04 AM
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] New Phishing Scam

  Well...I called in to join the fight...but checked the site while I was on hold and 
it looks like they've finally taken it down...so I hung up.



  Darin.





  ----- Original Message ----- 

  From: Kevin Bilbee 

  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

  Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2004 12:56 PM

  Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] New Phishing Scam



  I just got off the phone with them and they said their manager is working on it.



  How many people can we get to start calling in about 15 minutes?????



  So, Matt I see you have called multiple times. On my last call they asked if I was 
Matt or Kevin.





  Kevin

    -----Original Message-----
    From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Kevin Bilbee
    Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2004 9:42 AM
    To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
    Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] New Phishing Scam

    I am on the phione with them now. I suggest we all call and take up all of their 
tech supoport lines until the site is down. I have all day.



    I reported this to them 24hours a go then reported it to the list.



    From my conversation last night with the SS Etask force if they were open they 
would be giving them a call also.





    Kevin Bilbee

      -----Original Message-----
      From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Matt
      Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2004 9:29 AM
      To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
      Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] New Phishing Scam

      The damn site is still up...24 hours later and these people haven't pulled the 
site.  I just called their sales line and asked that they find someone at a higher 
level to direct this to.  It's beyond me how these people can pull up the address in a 
Web browser and still not get that there is a problem.

      And for the sake of Internet archiving, let me just state for the benefit of 
others, A+Net, a.k.a. Abacus America Inc of San Diego, CA, who's Web site is located 
at aplus.net, has shown themselves incapable of taking appropriate action on one of 
the most common Internet scams despite numerous reports over a 24 hour period.  One 
can only conclude that this is the typical level of response that they give to all 
support issues, and one should take note of this before considering their services.  
Other companies, including ones as large and complex as Akamai, have resolved issues 
within minutes of being reported, as they clearly understood the immediacy of the 
issue at hand.

      Matt



      Kevin Bilbee wrote:



Use matts 888-301-2516 number instead. Make them pay for the call I keptthem on the 
phone for 30 minutes. Kevin Bilbee   -----Original Message-----From: [EMAIL 
PROTECTED]:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Kevin BilbeeSent: Saturday, February 14, 2004 
12:17 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] New Phishing Scam  Yes, I sent 
to abuse and support as per their tech support. I just got off the phone with them. 
They are still disinterestedin shuttingdown the site.  I have been doing some research 
on a place to report these issues andactualy have someone care. This is what I found 
Electronic Crimes Task Forcehttp://www.ectaskforce.org/regional_locations.htm  This is 
the Secret Service of the United States. I just spokewith them andthey handle these 
issues. When calling just ask for the duty officer. Of course they will not be 
available for until Tuesday.  So the more people we get to callOrgTechName:   A Net 
SupportOrgTechPhone:  +1-858-410-6900OrgTechEmail:  [EMAIL PROTECTED] the quicker we 
can get the site shutdown.  Kevin Bilbee      -----Original Message-----From: [EMAIL 
PROTECTED]:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Rick KlingeSent: Friday, February 13, 2004 
11:38 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] New Phishing Scam  Pretty wild 
for sure.. Anyone send it to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ? ~Rick -----Original Message-----From: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of MattSent: Saturday, February 14, 2004 
1:09 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] New Phishing Scam  I can't 
believe that this site hasn't been pulled yet.  I calledthe companyjust now and showed 
them the site.  Phone calls typically get a fasterresponse.  We'll see. Matt  Colbeck, 
Andrew wrote: Very convincing; in the HTML view of the message Kevin sent, youcan see 
theIP address of the real destination, which is of course not PayPal.  Thewebsite 
there uses all of PayPal's actual images and HTTPS      links and forms    to provide 
the user experience.... except the sucker enters      their username    and password 
into a form on the bogus site, which then sends the data toPayPal. Andrew ;) p.s. When 
I discover these, I report them to [EMAIL PROTECTED];they want themessage forwarded to 
them, not as an attachment.  So if you do      that, make    sure that you paste in 
the full headers. -----Original Message-----From: Kevin Bilbee [mailto:[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]: Friday, February 13, 2004 2:55 PMTo: JunkMail DecludeSubject: 
[Declude.JunkMail] New Phishing Scam  Here is a new phishing scam. I reported it to 
the hosting company [EMAIL PROTECTED] wesite is still live. Kevin Bilbee  
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