RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Misunderstood DUL/DYNA

[Andy Schmidt]

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>> You don't have to remove the tests, you just have to rename them.  I renamed mine with DYN, that way Declude doesn't see them as matching DUL/DYNA/DUHL and therefore will not skip them when the Mail From matches a local address. <<   But Matt - please correct me if I'm wrong. I believe we manage to talk about two different things. You are focused on the LAST hop - but I believe, you have lost sight of the purpose of DUL/DYNA/DUHL - which is the FIRST hop.   Let's look at a sample to make sure that we're talking apples and apples:   Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2nd hop:     smtp.cable.com -> mymailserver.andy.com 1st hop:     some-dynamic-ip-host.cable.com -> smtp.cable.com   The "some-dynamic-ip-host.cable.com" is listed in the "DYNA/DUHL" lists - and it should be.   As long as I have "DYNA/DUHL" in the name, Declude will NOT test the first hop - e.g., it will correctly permit the rest of the world to reach me through their providers' SMTP servers. The DYNA/DUHL tests only test the 2nd and subsequent hops - because THOSE should not be on a blacklist. Most importantly, they test the LAST hop (the one to my mail server) - because a DYNA/DUHL IP should never try to relay off me (unless it's using SMTP AUTH).   Now, if I were to follow your example and remove DYNA/DUHL from the name, then these tests will also test the FIRST hop - and thus I'd be swamped with false positives for any dialup/broadband user who CORRECTLY uses his/her provider's smtp server.     It seems that you are focused only on the LAST hop - but by removing DYNA/DUHL from the name, you end up hurting the FIRST hop.   The "conditional" check at the last hop was NOT the reason to introduce DYNA/DUHL, that's just a quirky "quick-fix" which should be optional for those who don't need this backdoor open. The reason for DYNA/DUHL was proper handling of the first hop - and that's why it can't be removed. Best Regards Andy Schmidt H&M Systems Software, Inc. 600 East Crescent Avenue, Suite 203 Upper Saddle River, NJ 07458-1846 Phone:  +1 201 934-3414 x20 (Business) Fax:    +1 201 934-9206 http://www.HM-Software.com/